Sunday, January 14, 2024

Interesting post over on the Battleswarmblog on the F-35

 

  • “There are more F-35s in the world today than there are all other stealth aircraft ever built by all nations combined.”
  • “There are more F-35s on the deck of the USS Tripoli in this single picture than there are stealth fighters in all of Russia.” Eh, supposedly Russia has managed to finally get 20 Su-57s into service, which matches the 20 plane test deployment of the F-35Bs to the Tripoli. But it’s Russia, so several shakers of salt are in order.
  • “The F-35 lightning II is the seventh most widely operated fighter on the planet. This program began with nine nations involved in its development, but today its list of buyers has stretched all the way to 17.”
  • “In the past last few years, F-35s have accumulated some 773,000 hours in the sky spread out across 469,000 sorties.”
  • The F-35 had a troubled development cycle, but pilots love the finished product.
  • They “make older fourth generation fighters significantly more capable just by flying nearby, thanks to their incredible degree of sensor fusion and the data they can securely transmit to other aircraft flying in the vicinity.”
  • Myth #1: “All they do is crash.” “This is an excellent example of a combination of recency and availability biases. F-35s seem as though they crash often because there are so many of them in the sky on on any given day.”
  • “The truth is, the F-35 is actually the safest modern fighter ever developed. If you go back and look at the crash data of the F-35 during its first 12 years of service, as compared to the A-10, F-15, F-16 or F-22, you’ll find that the F-35 has a significantly better track record.”
  • “By this point in the A-10 service life, 9% of its airframes had already been lost in accidents. By this point in the F-16’s, that number was 13%. But today, the F-35’s loss rate is about 1%.”
  • Myth #2: “The F-35 is too expensive top operate.” “There really used to be something to this. As recently as 2016, it was reported that F-35s cost an average average of about $67,000 per hour to operate.”
  • The Air Force and Lockheed Martin have been driving this number down. By “2023, that operating cost had been reduced by more than 80%, down to right around $28,000 per hour. That’s only a little bit more than an F-15.”
  • Myth #3: “The F-35 can’t dogfight.” “First of all it probably shouldn’t. It was designed to operate like a sniper.”
  • “Most of the claims that say it can’t dogfight stem from a 2015 report published by War is Boring about an F-35a squaring off in a duel against a block 40 F-16d, and in that fight the F-16 definitely came out on top.” The problem is, the F-35 in that match was literally the second F-35 ever built.
  • “It didn’t have the vast majority of combat systems F-35s fly with today, including the helmet and electro-optical targeting system that allows F-35 pilots to target enemy aircraft without having to point the nose of the jet directly at them, as well as the F-35’s radar absorbance skin that would limit the F-16’s ability to get a radar lock on its opponent.”
  • “And to make matters even worse, that particular F-35 was flying with software restrictions on board that prevented the pilot from pushing the airframe too hard, limiting it to under 7g maneuvers, a restriction the F-16 obviously didn’t have.”
  • “The F-35 was forced to fly with both wings tied behind its back and it ended up losing against one of the most prolific dogfighters in history.”
  • “Most pilots say they’d still rather avoid that by taking out the enemy before they ever even know it’s.”
  • Myth #4: “The U.S. has already spent more than $1.7 trillion on the F-35.” That’s only the projected cost over the entire lifetime of the program.
  • Myth #5: “The F-35 has abysmal readiness rates.” There’s some truth to this, as readiness rates sit at 55%. But a big reason is the F-35 repair depot infrastructure hasn’t been fully built out yet. That’s supposed to be finished in 2027. “At which point the F-35’s readiness rates are expected to jump across the force to just about comparable with the F-15 and F-16.”
  • It’s not all roses: The F-35 has significant delays and cost overruns for the Tech Refresh 3 upgrade. “That will provide a 37-fold increase in onboard computing power 20 times the onboard data storage, and new double redundant display processors with five times the power to give the pilots far more situational awareness than ever before.”
  • “And Tech Refresh 3 is really just an appetizer that will lead to the Block 4 upgrade, which will be such a massive massive increase in capability that I have long argued the Block 4 F-35 deserves its own designation.”
  • “This new version of the F-35 will have a newer, even more advanced onboard radar that’s rumored to use Gallium Nitride transmit and receive modules that will dethrone the F-35’s current AN/AGP-81 radar as the most advanced and powerful radar ever affixed to a fighter.”
  • Plus new weapons and a bump from four to six internal weapons slots.
  • “Air Force secretary Frank Kendall has already stated plainly that in the future Block 4 F-35s will be flying with their own AI enabled drone wingmen, just like the sixth generation fighters in development today, Meaning the F-35 really will be a bridge to the sixth generation of fighter.” As in everything related to AI, the devil is in the details.
  • Like other modern fighter development programs, the F-35 has had its teething problems, but there’s no nation in the world that wants to face one in combat…

    18 comments:

    1. I witnessed a fly by and some antics by the pilot near an airport. The moves this thing made were unbelievable. The G forces must be huge.

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    2. Been working on the program from the beginning and I've sat by and listened to all the naysayers. Sure, there have been problems including cost overruns but you would not believe the superhuman effort, ingenuity, blood, sweat, and tears that have gone into resolving them. Anyone who thinks there is some other platform out there that can take on the F-35 and the vast team that operates and supports it has no earthly idea what they are talking about.

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    3. The non western nations have no comparable capability.

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    4. The F-35, like the Osprey, is a massively expensive and fraudulent federal government boondoggle.

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      1. it had a rough start but other nations are now rushing to buy them and it is not because they are a boondoggle. bugs worked out.

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      2. The "bugs" are still there, and the reason that other nations are flocking to purchase it because the US is allowing it to be sold...and the manufacturers are greedy. It is a piece of crap plane.

        https://www.protectingtaxpayers.org/defense/end-the-f-35-boondoggle/

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    5. The F35 weak point is the pilot, but they're about to solve that problem.

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    6. Solve the pilot problem ?? Really ?/
      Is the solution, the woke/diversity new pilots/personnel that the Air Force (and other services) are trying to get?
      Rather than going for the most proficient pilots -- regardless of ethnic background/preferred pronouns/sexual preferences/whatever that they might have?

      Unfortunately, "We'll see", isn't a good answer when the nation's security is on the line

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    7. Has a F-35 engaged a Su-25 or 27?
      Why hadn’t nato pushed it in Uki?
      Paper airplanes.

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    8. The F-35 first came into service in 2006 with variants onward. Basic airframe and "stealth coating" haven't changed.

      Cost of this system SNIP The current unit price of an F-35A is now $89.2 million and Lockheed predicts this price will fall to $80 million by 2020.

      For the record that dream price reduction didn't happen, SNIP F-35B variant is $115.5 million. Seems upgrades are expensive, BTW rule of thumb servicing a military system tends to about 3X the unit cost of the weapon systems.

      The F-22 stealth fighter was shot down in Bosnia in 92 by an upgraded Russian S-300 system.

      I suspect the stealth has been figured out and that *Might* be why even Israeli F-35's are VERY Careful around Russian air defense in Syria (as in will not venture there). Indeed at least one F-35 was destroyed by a "Bird Strike" operating in Syria near Syrian S-300 systems.

      Current antiair systems SNIP Russia’s S-400, a mobile long-range surface-to-air missile system, costs approximately $500 million, whereas a Patriot Pac-2 battery costs $1 billion and a THAAD battery rings in at about $3 billion, according to people with first-hand knowledge of a U.S. intelligence assessment.


      Missiles/drones may have replaced aircraft.

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      1. No F-22s have ever been shot down. You are referring to an F-117, the first operational stealth aircraft which despite its name, is really an air-to-ground strike platform. It was indeed lost to a radar-guided SAM. Stealth is great, but is not a Klingon cloaking device.

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      2. The F117 was lost due to complacency. They flew the same bombing route over and over, allowing the Serbs, likely with Chinese help, to spot the jet once its weapons bay doors opened, making it easier to detect.

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      3. Thanks for the correction. But again, I suspect given ever increasing satellite capabilities that they can be vectored into a meeting with a SAM.

        I understand the eye overhead noted the repeated route of the F-117 and thus the meeting with a S-300 was arranged. 1912 vs 2024 even commercial satellite can detect many things.

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    9. The F-35 is an awesome aircraft. But it is so complex that it will be difficult to keep it flying in WW III which is on the horizon right now.

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    10. The F-22 is still king of the hill for fighters. Head to head against any other aircraft out there the F-22 will win every time. The F-35 has all of the state of the art tech but it was designed as a "do-everything" fighter/lite bomber. It does a lot of thing well but it is not a true fighter as the fight can be over 300 miles away. The stealth factor is it's big advantage.

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    11. Talk about propaganda, I am going to print this off and read it near my garden next year. I will be expecting a bumper crop.

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    12. Wars will not be won by fighter jets. They will be won by ugly, dirty, hard assed, extremely violent, courageous and persistent men with weapons ranging from rocks on up to nukes.

      A few fighter jets may shorten or lengthen a war but superiority of blood, mud and guts will win or lose it.

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    13. haha. For every one of the flying penguins the US has sitting in a hangar waiting for parts the Ruskies will will be able to launch a thousand drones.

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