And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Say he had, and saw the six dummy rounds right where they were supposed to be, in every chamber,and looking exactly like the pic. What would that have accomplished? Nothing. Well-played. You can't even tell anyone whether that's a live round or a blank or a dummy round, can you?
Case closed, armorer goes to prison for loading live rounds. QED
Aesop. If you hand me a firearm after I watch you clear it and tell me it's unloaded I'll check it again. If I hand you a firearm and tell you it's unloaded would you stick up to your brain pan and pull the trigger? Whomever is in control of the tool that could cause death or life changing injury is responsible.
An analogy. As a journeyman lineman troubleshooter it was my job as a troubleshooter to clear, open (disconnect) and ground all sources of electricity after a storm,car pole accident, cable dig in by excavator etc so that the line crew can safely make repairs and restore power to our customers. When the crew arrived to make repairs the Foreman NEVER took my word that all was clear. He had to visually see with his own eyes. I would've done the same as a Foreman even if the troubleshooter that cleared the line was my best friend. Btw retired after 43 yrs of building, maintaining, repairing and troubleshooting power lines and all my parts and pieces are still in place. Got a few spots of burnt skin on me but that was my own fault.
1) Moving the goalposts. 25 yard penalty and loss of possession. 2) Visual inspection was both worthless and pointless in the Baldwin incident. As the two dumbf**ks who prepared and handed him the loaded live weapon despite same proved, fatally. 3) What anyone would and could do with an actual weapon and live ammunition means jack and squat to how a prop gun is prepared and inspected prior to handing it to an actor on a production set, which procedure resulted in zero deaths in 28 years, and never put a live round into any weapon ever, in 100+ years of recorded cinematic history, until last October on Rust, by not following any of those rules. 4) The only person ever killed on a movie set since 1993 died because the people responsible for doing their jobs failed to follow every single safety rule applicable. Like between 40 and 60 specific violations. None of those people were named Alec Baldwin. My apologies to anyone still butthurt about pointing out that what you would do under completely different circumstances that have no applicability to the incident has nothing to do with what was and wasn't done on a movie set, starting with the fact that bringing a live functional weapon rather than a neutered prop gun onto a set is already a safety violation by the armorer. 5) Stop trying to explain how your apples experience applies to an oranges situation. It doesn't, never has, and never could. You're in the same league as people telling a commercial 747 pilot something, based on their 500 missions in Microsoft Flight Simulator. 6) I've posted links and direct excerpts of the relevant safety regs half a dozen times. Baldwin violated zero. The armorer obeyed zero. Difficulty factor of determining who is at fault here based on that information: also zero. 7) Bonus question: If it's impossible for a Colt SAA to fire without anyone touching the trigger, why is the timeless procedure to carry only 5 rounds, and nearly always leave the chamber under the hammer empty?
Take your time on that one. I'll just wait over here while some of you try to rewrite 140 years of actual firearms history.
You miss the point. Asshole had no reason to point it at the producer, whether he pulled the trigger or not. Daddy always said to not point the gun at anything you don't intend to hit, and if you DO intend to hit it, aim well. Baldwin was dickin around with the producer because of events that happened before the scene, which he ALSO shouldn't have been doing. He's guilty, at least of involuntary manslaughter, along with whomever put the live rounds on the set, and in the gun.
Baldwin should have done that.
ReplyDeleteHe didn’t need to, he never touched the trigger. Don’t you believe him??
DeleteSay he had, and saw the six dummy rounds right where they were supposed to be, in every chamber,and looking exactly like the pic.
DeleteWhat would that have accomplished?
Nothing.
Well-played.
You can't even tell anyone whether that's a live round or a blank or a dummy round, can you?
Case closed, armorer goes to prison for loading live rounds. QED
Aesop. If you hand me a firearm after I watch you clear it and tell me it's unloaded I'll check it again. If I hand you a firearm and tell you it's unloaded would you stick up to your brain pan and pull the trigger? Whomever is in control of the tool that could cause death or life changing injury is responsible.
DeleteAn analogy. As a journeyman lineman troubleshooter it was my job as a troubleshooter to clear, open (disconnect) and ground all sources of electricity after a storm,car pole accident, cable dig in by excavator etc so that the line crew can safely make repairs and restore power to our customers. When the crew arrived to make repairs the Foreman NEVER took my word that all was clear. He had to visually see with his own eyes. I would've done the same as a Foreman even if the troubleshooter that cleared the line was my best friend. Btw retired after 43 yrs of building, maintaining, repairing and troubleshooting power lines and all my parts and pieces are still in place. Got a few spots of burnt skin on me but that was my own fault.
Delete1) Moving the goalposts. 25 yard penalty and loss of possession.
Delete2) Visual inspection was both worthless and pointless in the Baldwin incident. As the two dumbf**ks who prepared and handed him the loaded live weapon despite same proved, fatally.
3) What anyone would and could do with an actual weapon and live ammunition means jack and squat to how a prop gun is prepared and inspected prior to handing it to an actor on a production set, which procedure resulted in zero deaths in 28 years, and never put a live round into any weapon ever, in 100+ years of recorded cinematic history, until last October on Rust, by not following any of those rules.
4) The only person ever killed on a movie set since 1993 died because the people responsible for doing their jobs failed to follow every single safety rule applicable. Like between 40 and 60 specific violations. None of those people were named Alec Baldwin. My apologies to anyone still butthurt about pointing out that what you would do under completely different circumstances that have no applicability to the incident has nothing to do with what was and wasn't done on a movie set, starting with the fact that bringing a live functional weapon rather than a neutered prop gun onto a set is already a safety violation by the armorer.
5) Stop trying to explain how your apples experience applies to an oranges situation. It doesn't, never has, and never could. You're in the same league as people telling a commercial 747 pilot something, based on their 500 missions in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
6) I've posted links and direct excerpts of the relevant safety regs half a dozen times. Baldwin violated zero. The armorer obeyed zero. Difficulty factor of determining who is at fault here based on that information: also zero.
7) Bonus question: If it's impossible for a Colt SAA to fire without anyone touching the trigger, why is the timeless procedure to carry only 5 rounds, and nearly always leave the chamber under the hammer empty?
Take your time on that one. I'll just wait over here while some of you try to rewrite 140 years of actual firearms history.
You miss the point.
DeleteAsshole had no reason to point it at the producer, whether he pulled the trigger or not.
Daddy always said to not point the gun at anything you don't intend to hit, and if you DO intend to hit it, aim well.
Baldwin was dickin around with the producer because of events that happened before the scene, which he ALSO shouldn't have been doing.
He's guilty, at least of involuntary manslaughter, along with whomever put the live rounds on the set, and in the gun.
Wonder when Aesop's going to figure out he's not the know-it-all he thinks he is.
DeleteI can feel & hear the "snick" of opening/closing the gate
ReplyDeleteI have owned two different Super Blackhawks. Loved them. Still have a lot of hand-loaded 44 mag ammo.
ReplyDeleteAnother Hollywood hazard about to kill someone without human intervention. Alec says so.
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