And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thursday, December 30, 2021
Sword Play. The guy on the left looks like he has a pepperbox, the guy on the right an early revolver.
Looks like they better not use either. I feel sorry for those guys back then....BUT???...THEY KILLED MANY on BOTH SIDES!I get so tired of hearing it was for slavery...IT WAS NOT. It was the NORTH and their draconian BULLSHIT trying to hold the SOUTH DOWN with taxes, Tariffs and do as I say BULLSHIT!!
Well boys, I taught US History for 27 years in three nations, ten of those in Argentina where I taught college courses. Also, my family on my mother's side fought with Marse Robert almost until Appomattox. Let us say that I have a different view of things, and leave it at that.
I'm with you, Mike. But you can't tell a "lost cause" proponent a damn thing, so normally I won't bother. Just go to the original sources and read what people back then had to say about it. Or better yet, just read the Confederate Constitution itself.
Original sources, you mean like the Crittenden-Johnson resolution passed unanimously by Congress in 1861. It specifically stated that preserving the Union and maintaining the supremacy of the Constitution was the purpose of the war and not interfering with slavery.
Or maybe we could ask a prominent leader at the time. "I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Abraham Lincoln
The states where it existed included which of course included several northern states and territories. Specifically, Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia.
Apparently, they were so dedicated to ending slavery that they waged a war to end it. They just didn't want to admit it or end it in these non seceding states.
Maybe, lost cause proponents would be more likely to listen to you if you actually knew what you were talking about.
I knew it would not be long before a "lost causer" showed up all fired up, angry and tossing insults at men he never met. Look Anonymous, the war ended 150 years ago. You lost. So did my family, Deal with i and move on. I have.
I could not care less if some "lost causer" listens to me or not. They remind me of vegans and cross-fitters---cult members who will never change their minds.
You are right. A historian is not---and should not be---a mere propogandist. He must go to the original sources to see what people who were alive then said and did. Not just read the CSA Constitution, but read the 11 constitutions of the Confederate states. They all agree on the cause of that damn war. "Lost Causers"---most of my family members are such---have no argument with me; their argument is with History.
Heh. By family tradition (I've never researched it), some of my family were Missouri Partisan Rangers who took part in the attack on Lawrence, Kansas in which they killed most of the male citizens. The trans-Mississippi war was a guerilla war with the southerners called "Bushwackers" and the abolitionist Kansans called "Jayhawkers" or "Red legs."
At a job I once worked, I got to talking with my boss. It turns out that while my family were "Bushwhackers," his family were "Red legs" from, of all places, Lawrence, KS.
We spent a long evening over drinks one night trying to figure out if my family murdered his, or his family murdered mine.
Oh my word, the stories you and your family could tell! Mine too. These wounds lie deep in some. For me they are healed. But not all my family feels this way. For them the battles of Chickamauga and Fredericksburg---and so many others---are still being fought; they will always be fought. For them 150 years ago were as yesterday.
Slavery was economically on the way out. The war was unnecessary, slavery would have ended soon enough. The south was invaded for economic reasons, the hypocrisy of the north is staggering, almost rivaling today's dems. One thing you gotta give the mass murderer Lincoln, he sure knew how to deal with political opponents.
The best sword fight ever filmed, from "The Mark of Zorro". Tyrone Power v. Basil Rathbone.
ReplyDelete"Rob Roy" with Tim Roth and what's his face could give that fight a run for it's money.
DeleteRight! Loved that final fight between Roth and what's his face.
DeletePrivate vs Corporal.
ReplyDeleteLooks like they better not use either. I feel sorry for those guys back then....BUT???...THEY KILLED MANY on BOTH SIDES!I get so tired of hearing it was for slavery...IT WAS NOT. It was the NORTH and their draconian BULLSHIT trying to hold the SOUTH DOWN with taxes, Tariffs and do as I say BULLSHIT!!
ReplyDeleteWell boys, I taught US History for 27 years in three nations, ten of those in Argentina where I taught college courses. Also, my family on my mother's side fought with Marse Robert almost until Appomattox. Let us say that I have a different view of things, and leave it at that.
DeleteI'm with you, Mike. But you can't tell a "lost cause" proponent a damn thing, so normally I won't bother. Just go to the original sources and read what people back then had to say about it. Or better yet, just read the Confederate Constitution itself.
DeleteRoy,
DeleteOriginal sources, you mean like the Crittenden-Johnson resolution passed unanimously by Congress in 1861. It specifically stated that preserving the Union and maintaining the supremacy of the Constitution was the purpose of the war and not interfering with slavery.
Or maybe we could ask a prominent leader at the time. "I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Abraham Lincoln
The states where it existed included which of course included several northern states and territories. Specifically, Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia.
Apparently, they were so dedicated to ending slavery that they waged a war to end it. They just didn't want to admit it or end it in these non seceding states.
Maybe, lost cause proponents would be more likely to listen to you if you actually knew what you were talking about.
I knew it would not be long before a "lost causer" showed up all fired up, angry and tossing insults at men he never met. Look Anonymous, the war ended 150 years ago. You lost. So did my family, Deal with i and move on. I have.
DeleteI could not care less if some "lost causer" listens to me or not. They remind me of vegans and cross-fitters---cult members who will never change their minds.
You are right. A historian is not---and should not be---a mere propogandist. He must go to the original sources to see what people who were alive then said and did. Not just read the CSA Constitution, but read the 11 constitutions of the Confederate states. They all agree on the cause of that damn war. "Lost Causers"---most of my family members are such---have no argument with me; their argument is with History.
ReplyDeleteHeh. By family tradition (I've never researched it), some of my family were Missouri Partisan Rangers who took part in the attack on Lawrence, Kansas in which they killed most of the male citizens. The trans-Mississippi war was a guerilla war with the southerners called "Bushwackers" and the abolitionist Kansans called "Jayhawkers" or "Red legs."
ReplyDeleteAt a job I once worked, I got to talking with my boss. It turns out that while my family were "Bushwhackers," his family were "Red legs" from, of all places, Lawrence, KS.
We spent a long evening over drinks one night trying to figure out if my family murdered his, or his family murdered mine.
Oh my word, the stories you and your family could tell! Mine too. These wounds lie deep in some. For me they are healed. But not all my family feels this way. For them the battles of Chickamauga and Fredericksburg---and so many others---are still being fought; they will always be fought. For them 150 years ago were as yesterday.
DeleteAlec Baldwin auditioned to play the soldier on the right in the movie version.
ReplyDeleteWorking title: "Finger on the Trigger"
DeleteSlavery was economically on the way out. The war was unnecessary, slavery would have ended soon enough. The south was invaded for economic reasons, the hypocrisy of the north is staggering, almost rivaling today's dems. One thing you gotta give the mass murderer Lincoln, he sure knew how to deal with political opponents.
ReplyDelete