And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
That thing can move in 10 seconds after rounds complete. Slam doors, turn key, drive away. It's 2-3 minutes, minimum, for most towed systems, and that's leaving your nets behind after the first mission.
Wrong. One is a section chief, supervising all operations. You have a powder monkey on the far side, getting the powder increment. Ammo man on the right, same thing with the projectile. Gunner setting deflection and elevation on the left corner. And the guy pulling the string when cleared to do so. The other is probably the driver/mechanic, who has nothing to do until it's time to move the piece. Possibly an officer or staff NCO watching the watcher. Either way, not a member of the direct gun crew.
That's a 5- or 6-man crew for what used to be an 11-man crew on a towed piece, because you don't need two rammers, nor set the thing up and break it down by muscle power.
Survivability, plus -50% of the manpower requirements. And in between missions, the shells have to be fuzed by someone and pre-loaded. Those ready racks don't fill themselves.
I was a tank commander not a cannon cocker. There are SIX cannon cockers in the video. Two are doing nothing. I guess that's what cannon cockers do... they watch the other four work their butts off.
There's nobody in that pic "working their butts off". They work smart, not hard. And look, they don't have to break track, either. You're just jealous. :P
Problem with all that high tech NATO equipment is its never faced war use and the wear that creates, not saying it is not good stuff, just actual war places demands on gear and weapons you need war experience to adapt and improve it. Same for tac-strat. The Russian federation has years of direct real workd combat experience now which is priceless, and they are quite accomplished war fighters.
The Russian federation has about 15 minutes of experience, because of attrition of experienced gun crews, and throwing conscripts into the fodder hopper. Same-same for Ukraine. Fortunately, you can learn arty at that level in about an hour.
And we've been using SP artillery for about 80 years, last I looked. This is a lightyear ahead of the M109 Paladin system. But it would suck balls on a rainy night, which has been true for artillery for about 500 years.
Jeez Aesop, thats how they managed to kick out nato from tens of thousands of square miles of the Donbass arc which by the way lawfully succeeded per UN stipulations, and has been expertly fighting using local militias, who are extremely expert with rifled guns having experience going back to 2014 fighting the death squads sent to depopulate the arc of all ancestral rusdsans, because the ukronazi regime, how could you not know of these broadly documented things, you still swallowing that Ukraine is the victim- Russians the blood thirsty baby eating evil ones narrative? I'd have thought by now you'd have recognized Ukraine is a deep state proxie run by to the death nazi organized crime gang, skimming billions off what the US regime shipped or provided in funds, and funneling part of it back to the globo-pedo's running stuff here. There is still the decade old issue of 9 billion missing from the ten billion in "aid" the obots/clinton crime gangs gave them, that interpole documented, and biden had his child raping son squashed so to launder into the family coffers. Ukraine so lilly white innocent you have this ukraine as a next door neighbor?
Well, one country did invade the other. (I seem to forget which one it was) So what you are trying to say, is that those evil nazis in Ukraine were going to somehow invade sweet Mother Russia and take out Putin? Was he that worried they would steamroll his grand fleet of T54/T62 tanks?
Sorry to break it to you but neither side clean in this fight.
Russia has already killed more of their own troops in three years than they lost in 10 years in A-stan, and more casualties than we suffered in Vietnam, Iraq, and A-stan combined. Just to fight to a never-ending draw. "Putinic" is about to supplant "pyrhhic" in the dictionary.
Some people have long wanted both sides to lose. They're getting their wish, by the corpse-pile. Huzzah.
One of my fondest memories of the war at the bureaucratic level was Deputy at Tradoc who talked about the Army buying a new kind of rifle but never actually firing it in tests that reflected desperate last measures firing. It was tested in good conditions and fired 100 rounds satisfactorily but until Custer's Last Stand nobody had fired it until the barrel heated up and the extractors stopped working. Don't know if that's true but do wonder if the Army fires these things under full battle conditions for say a week or two of real fire missions like say an artillery post on a hill in Vietnam supporting the troops during the war in the Central Highlands or just wings it.
Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. USMC 0802 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th Marines 1962-1973---RVN 1966-67, 1968-1969-Semper Fi!
Shooting is good, but shooting and scooting to evade the incoming counter-battery fire is more important. Gotta move to shoot another day.
ReplyDeleteThat thing can move in 10 seconds after rounds complete.
DeleteSlam doors, turn key, drive away.
It's 2-3 minutes, minimum, for most towed systems, and that's leaving your nets behind after the first mission.
Danish CAESAR 8x8 self-propelled howitzer
ReplyDeleteI wonder if that thing has ever tried to chamber one of the crew....
ReplyDeleteSomewhat like Soviet-era tank auto-loaders were rumored to have done?
DeleteI appear as if at least two of the gun crew are simply "resting on their shovels" while others are working.
ReplyDeleteWrong.
DeleteOne is a section chief, supervising all operations.
You have a powder monkey on the far side, getting the powder increment.
Ammo man on the right, same thing with the projectile.
Gunner setting deflection and elevation on the left corner.
And the guy pulling the string when cleared to do so.
The other is probably the driver/mechanic, who has nothing to do until it's time to move the piece. Possibly an officer or staff NCO watching the watcher. Either way, not a member of the direct gun crew.
That's a 5- or 6-man crew for what used to be an 11-man crew on a towed piece, because you don't need two rammers, nor set the thing up and break it down by muscle power.
Survivability, plus -50% of the manpower requirements.
And in between missions, the shells have to be fuzed by someone and pre-loaded. Those ready racks don't fill themselves.
I was a tank commander not a cannon cocker. There are SIX cannon cockers in the video. Two are doing nothing. I guess that's what cannon cockers do... they watch the other four work their butts off.
DeleteThere's nobody in that pic "working their butts off".
DeleteThey work smart, not hard.
And look, they don't have to break track, either.
You're just jealous. :P
And what happens when the auto feeder breaks down?????
ReplyDeleteProblem with all that high tech NATO equipment is its never faced war use and the wear that creates, not saying it is not good stuff, just actual war places demands on gear and weapons you need war experience to adapt and improve it. Same for tac-strat. The Russian federation has years of direct real workd combat experience now which is priceless, and they are quite accomplished war fighters.
ReplyDeleteThe Russian federation has about 15 minutes of experience, because of attrition of experienced gun crews, and throwing conscripts into the fodder hopper. Same-same for Ukraine.
DeleteFortunately, you can learn arty at that level in about an hour.
And we've been using SP artillery for about 80 years, last I looked.
This is a lightyear ahead of the M109 Paladin system.
But it would suck balls on a rainy night, which has been true for artillery for about 500 years.
You forgot that the Russians (in general) are dyed in the wool alcoholics. They are either drunk or hungover 24/7.
DeleteJeez Aesop, thats how they managed to kick out nato from tens of thousands of square miles of the Donbass arc which by the way lawfully succeeded per UN stipulations, and has been expertly fighting using local militias, who are extremely expert with rifled guns having experience going back to 2014 fighting the death squads sent to depopulate the arc of all ancestral rusdsans, because the ukronazi regime, how could you not know of these broadly documented things, you still swallowing that Ukraine is the victim- Russians the blood thirsty baby eating evil ones narrative?
DeleteI'd have thought by now you'd have recognized Ukraine is a deep state proxie run by to the death nazi organized crime gang, skimming billions off what the US regime shipped or provided in funds, and funneling part of it back to the globo-pedo's running stuff here. There is still the decade old issue of 9 billion missing from the ten billion in "aid" the obots/clinton crime gangs gave them, that interpole documented, and biden had his child raping son squashed so to launder into the family coffers.
Ukraine so lilly white innocent you have this ukraine as a next door neighbor?
Well, one country did invade the other. (I seem to forget which one it was) So what you are trying to say, is that those evil nazis in Ukraine were going to somehow invade sweet Mother Russia and take out Putin? Was he that worried they would steamroll his grand fleet of T54/T62 tanks?
DeleteSorry to break it to you but neither side clean in this fight.
@Anon 3:30A,
DeleteThe voices talk to you, don't they?
Russia has already killed more of their own troops in three years than they lost in 10 years in A-stan, and more casualties than we suffered in Vietnam, Iraq, and A-stan combined.
Just to fight to a never-ending draw.
"Putinic" is about to supplant "pyrhhic" in the dictionary.
Some people have long wanted both sides to lose.
They're getting their wish, by the corpse-pile.
Huzzah.
One of my fondest memories of the war at the bureaucratic level was Deputy at Tradoc who talked about the Army buying a new kind of rifle but never actually firing it in tests that reflected desperate last measures firing. It was tested in good conditions and fired 100 rounds satisfactorily but until Custer's Last Stand nobody had fired it until the barrel heated up and the extractors stopped working. Don't know if that's true but do wonder if the Army fires these things under full battle conditions for say a week or two of real fire missions like say an artillery post on a hill in Vietnam supporting the troops during the war in the Central Highlands or just wings it.
ReplyDeleteArtillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. USMC 0802 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th Marines 1962-1973---RVN 1966-67, 1968-1969-Semper Fi!
ReplyDelete