And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Monday, July 17, 2023
Someone recommended this, so it might be added to the reading list.
Jacobean England was both more godly and less godly than the country had ever been, and the entire culture was drawn taut between these polarities.
Subsitute "United States" for "Jacobean England" in that blurb and you have a description of the U.S. today. Unfortunately, we lack actual Christian men in positions of authority today whom encourage godly men to act.
Indeed it does ring a bell, and said separation is very important, I only lament ungodly men greedy for power and tyrannical rule, rather than godly men leading whom are unashamed of articulating their faith and why Christianity is the actual reason that liberty and freedom for all men came into existence.
Anon, please inform us from your understanding (meaning, actual instruction and use of documents, i. e. not wiki) on the origins and intent of the phrase. Forget not to include where the phrase may be found.
Also, not prohibited are godly men in positions of authority in government. Therein lie the lament; very few of such persons exist in government.
Thank you, I was wondering what my next book was going to be, I'm about half way through "Leviathan Awakes", and I like to switch genres between books.
At our primary local bookstore, all bibles are located in the humor section. Another bookstore I frequent locates them in the adult fiction section, along with classics such as Lolita and In Her Father's Bed. We need more xtian men in government, such as Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, and so on...all good, outstanding xtian men of impeccable character...
Did you know that God, not man, is the source of moral character? Certainly, there are men who will take advantage of that to their own aims. Why, such are even mentioned many times in the Holy Bible. So we see that what you portend to produce as a nefarious exhibit of 'religious' men is in all actuality nothing new.
I suggest reading the word of God if only as a history book.
Pro tip: if one is to speak favorably of their position, they should not confine themselves to sullying the desposition of others. 'At least I'm not them' is hardly a foundation on which to build yourself.
Just because some says they are something: It's Little Billie's first day in middle school. A really large upperclassman approaches and says "Hi. I'm Big Bob, and I'm your bestest friend in the whole world" Big Bob then beats up Little Billie and steals his lunch money. Scared, Little Billie doesn't report this. This happens again on the second day, and the third... How many days go by before Little Billie decides that Big Bob really ISN'T his bestest friend in the whole world.
Luke 6:46 - "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and don't do the things which I say?"
The KJV was an achievement, but the first iteration, the 1611, was unreadable. The common edition is the 1769 Oxford edition which uses more modern English and spelling. Many refer to that as the 1611 in error.
At one time I knew a student of Hebrew, Greek, Latin, etc. He pointed out that our current understanding of the ancient languages is much, much better than the early 1600s, or even the 1700s. What makes the KJV remarkable is that the common English usage and vocabulary at that time was much superior to the current version of the language. We are lazy in speaking and writing now.
Three 45 min BBC progs on the 'KJV' well worth a listen. Interesting however, that at no time is God mentioned in the three progs, very BBC! Called the KJV, but always the 'Authorised version in the UK. KJV is only used to sell it to Americans who still wish for a History and a King.
One may also consider reading "In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible.." by Alister McGrath, fascinating story of how the King James Version was created, from many sources by committees, to come up with the "official version". I will read this one too, should be good.
I did read! Years ago. My wife got it at a used book sale at a local library. I thought was very interesting - written from a British perspective, without our regular baggage that we bring to the translation debate.
Believe in God, but not the bible. How many times has the bible been retranslated. King James submits his to committees? Committees decide that they don't like that word or that phrase so they just rewrite it or leave it out entirely. Just like today. Books are being rewritten because some committee doesn't like what is written in the original. Mark Twain comes to mind immediately, but, many more are being changed to suit this or that committee. A consensus must be achieved. Hell, Jesus wasn't deified for centuries. It took a consensus of opinion.
Jesus deified Himself, so to speak. "Phillip have you been with me so long and you don't know me? When you have seen me, you have seen the Father." "I and the Father are one" "Before Abraham was 'I AM" Thomas cried out "my Lord AND my God" Lot's more if you look for them. Jesus never said "I am God" but he left us no doubt of His proclaimations of diety.
Textual research has found that the current version of the Bible is more faithful to the original than any other book or document in human history. Grab a copy of McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict, any edition, and take a quick peek anywhere therein at the sections on textual accuracy, which are footnoted to the Moon and back.
The idea that it's been in any way bastardized is overruled by reality, time after time after time.
"Jesus wasn't deified for centuries." Pure codswallop, in service of an agenda, but unsupportable by any facts.
Seriously man, get another schtick, and live your life any way you chose. But don't try to revise all of human history to rationalize your position. It's just embarrassing, for you.
From the blurb at the link:
ReplyDeleteJacobean England was both more godly and less godly than the country had ever been, and the entire culture was drawn taut between these polarities.
Subsitute "United States" for "Jacobean England" in that blurb and you have a description of the U.S. today. Unfortunately, we lack actual Christian men in positions of authority today whom encourage godly men to act.
Separation of church and state ring a bell?
ReplyDeleteIndeed it does ring a bell, and said separation is very important, I only lament ungodly men greedy for power and tyrannical rule, rather than godly men leading whom are unashamed of articulating their faith and why Christianity is the actual reason that liberty and freedom for all men came into existence.
DeleteAnon, please inform us from your understanding (meaning, actual instruction and use of documents, i. e. not wiki) on the origins and intent of the phrase. Forget not to include where the phrase may be found.
DeleteAlso, not prohibited are godly men in positions of authority in government. Therein lie the lament; very few of such persons exist in government.
Thank you, I was wondering what my next book was going to be, I'm about half way through "Leviathan Awakes", and I like to switch genres between books.
ReplyDeleteAt our primary local bookstore, all bibles are located in the humor section. Another bookstore I frequent locates them in the adult fiction section, along with classics such as Lolita and In Her Father's Bed.
ReplyDeleteWe need more xtian men in government, such as Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, and so on...all good, outstanding xtian men of impeccable character...
Did you know that God, not man, is the source of moral character? Certainly, there are men who will take advantage of that to their own aims. Why, such are even mentioned many times in the Holy Bible. So we see that what you portend to produce as a nefarious exhibit of 'religious' men is in all actuality nothing new.
DeleteI suggest reading the word of God if only as a history book.
Pro tip: if one is to speak favorably of their position, they should not confine themselves to sullying the desposition of others. 'At least I'm not them' is hardly a foundation on which to build yourself.
Just because some says they are something:
DeleteIt's Little Billie's first day in middle school.
A really large upperclassman approaches and says "Hi. I'm Big Bob, and I'm your bestest friend in the whole world"
Big Bob then beats up Little Billie and steals his lunch money. Scared, Little Billie doesn't report this.
This happens again on the second day, and the third...
How many days go by before Little Billie decides that Big Bob really ISN'T his bestest friend in the whole world.
Luke 6:46 - "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and don't do the things which I say?"
The KJV was an achievement, but the first iteration, the 1611, was unreadable. The common edition is the 1769 Oxford edition which uses more modern English and spelling. Many refer to that as the 1611 in error.
ReplyDeleteappreciated, all.
ReplyDeleteAt one time I knew a student of Hebrew, Greek, Latin, etc. He pointed out that our current understanding of the ancient languages is much, much better than the early 1600s, or even the 1700s. What makes the KJV remarkable is that the common English usage and vocabulary at that time was much superior to the current version of the language. We are lazy in speaking and writing now.
ReplyDeleteThree 45 min BBC progs on the 'KJV' well worth a listen. Interesting however, that at no time is God mentioned in the three progs, very BBC! Called the KJV, but always the 'Authorised version in the UK. KJV is only used to sell it to Americans who still wish for a History and a King.
ReplyDeleteOne may also consider reading "In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible.." by Alister McGrath, fascinating story of how the King James Version was created, from many sources by committees, to come up with the "official version". I will read this one too, should be good.
ReplyDeleteI did read! Years ago. My wife got it at a used book sale at a local library. I thought was very interesting - written from a British perspective, without our regular baggage that we bring to the translation debate.
ReplyDeleteBelieve in God, but not the bible.
ReplyDeleteHow many times has the bible been retranslated. King James submits his to committees? Committees decide that they don't like that word or that phrase so they just rewrite it or leave it out entirely.
Just like today. Books are being rewritten because some committee doesn't like what is written in the original. Mark Twain comes to mind immediately, but, many more are being changed to suit this or that committee.
A consensus must be achieved.
Hell, Jesus wasn't deified for centuries. It took a consensus of opinion.
Evil Franklin
Jesus deified Himself, so to speak.
Delete"Phillip have you been with me so long and you don't know me? When you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
"I and the Father are one"
"Before Abraham was 'I AM"
Thomas cried out "my Lord AND my God"
Lot's more if you look for them. Jesus never said "I am God" but he left us no doubt of His proclaimations of diety.
Spoken in utter ignorance of reality.
DeleteTextual research has found that the current version of the Bible is more faithful to the original than any other book or document in human history.
Grab a copy of McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict, any edition, and take a quick peek anywhere therein at the sections on textual accuracy, which are footnoted to the Moon and back.
The idea that it's been in any way bastardized is overruled by reality, time after time after time.
"Jesus wasn't deified for centuries."
Pure codswallop, in service of an agenda, but unsupportable by any facts.
Seriously man, get another schtick, and live your life any way you chose. But don't try to revise all of human history to rationalize your position.
It's just embarrassing, for you.
Evil Franklin
ReplyDeleteThe Council of Nicea 6 BC. took 80 years to decide if he was " Son of Man " or "Son of God "....." FOLLOW HIS SANDAL....NO, NO FOLLOW HIS GOURD "
ReplyDeleteLots of proud, lost men commenting here. Very sad.
ReplyDelete