And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Sunday, July 23, 2023
An antidote to the argument over the morality of dropping the atomic bomb - necessitated by the Oppenheimer film.
Whittle nails it. He does a nice job of educating the "usual morons" on final days of the war with Japan. Although, Whittle could have save time and breath by just calling Stewart an idiot. Which is what Steward is.
Some people find Trump almost as irritating as Biden. It's an opinion and opinions are like butt holes everyone's got one. In my opinion William Alfred Whittle is a way less caustic than Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz, but that's just my 2 cents.
Bill's biggest problem is that he tends to go on and on and on until he puts you to sleep. He used to be a lot better, but I think his "Stratosphere Lounge" excursions have encouraged all sorts of bad habits.
His other issue is that he's addicted to name-dropping, as in "When I went to (insert famous place) with my good friend and colleague (insert well-known celebrity) who I've know since I was (insert young age, down to zero)..." which is intensely irritating once you notice it.
My father entered the US Merchant Marine in 1945, two months after the bomb. During that summer he was expecting to be drafted and probably serve in the US Navy, as had his father had served until he was sent home to die. After the bomb his concern changed to earning a living, so he went to sea as seaman. If we hadn't had the bomb or if Truman had decided not to use it, it's quite possible neither Bill or myself would be here.
My grandfather was pulled away from essential war work at Chrysler, to be drafted in 1945 for the invasion of Japan. His Army training got cut short due to the atom bombs. Dad was already born; some uncles and aunts had not yet been born. ~ Doctor Weasel
It was estimated that 1,000,000 men would die or receive grievance wounds if they invaded Japan. Look up fire bombing of Japan, that was a horrible way to die and almost all Japanese cities had been bombed in that manner. To me, I would rather be bombed by the A bomb. Dropping the bomb was the correct decision. Dr. O was a major jerk.
What opened my eyes is when I learned that they were using Purple Heart medals prepared for the invasion of Japan clear through the Vietnam war and beyond.
Former history teacher and retired Army officer here; I inflicted American History on cadets at West Point many years ago. I have no disagreement with Whittle's take on this, in fact I firmly agree. My dad came home from the Philippines in 1945; not sure I would be here had Operation Olympic not taken place. I agreed with the rightness of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki before watching this video, which told me much more of the details of the Japanese state of mind at the time than I had known. What I find gruesomely ironic is that the numbskulls who want to condemn HST as a war criminal, while consciously or unconsciously ignoring, or being actually ignorant of the course of the war in the Pacific, and of WWII's effects on America, are the same people who want to excuse - or mitigate punishment for - contemporary rioters, thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers by saying that "we don't know how they felt - what drove them to it."
I was stationed in Japan from 1984 to 1986. During that time I met some of the people that visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were bombed. They told me some of the Japanese there told them it was good that these bombs were dropped. It meant that the war was over and that millions of Japanese would live because there would not be an invasion of the islands of Japan. Heltau
Bill Whittle without fail destroys any and all leftist liberal statements and positions using facts, evidence and actual history. Sadly however the liberal left are totally immune to facts, evidence or logic. Which means Mr. Whittle has spent his entire career "preaching to the choir".
In 1979 the NSA released 2,413 JN-25 orders of the 26,581 intercepted by US between Sept 1 and Dec 4, 1941. The NSA says "We know now that they contained important details concerning the existence, organization, objective, and even the whereabouts of the Pearl Harbor Strike Force." (Parker p 21) Of the over thousand radio messages sent by Tokyo to the attack fleet, only 20 are in the National Archives. All messages to the attack fleet were sent several times, at least one message was sent every odd hour of the day and each had a special serial number. Starting in early November 1941 when the attack fleet assembled and started receiving radio messages, OP-20-G stayed open 24 hours a day and the "First Team" of codebreakers worked on JN-25. In November and early December 1941, OP-20-G spent 85 percent of its effort reading Japanese Navy traffic, 12 percent on Japanese diplomatic traffic and 3 percent on German naval codes. FDR was personally briefed twice a day on JN-25 traffic by his aide, Captain John Beardell, and demanded to see the original raw messages in English. The US Government refuses to identify or declassify any pre-Dec 7, 1941 decrypts of JN-25 on the basis of national security, a half-century after the war. - AL Tru
Which tells you neither Jack nor Sh*t about when or even whether any of those 26,581 intercepts were decrypted, let alone if they were decrypted and translated into English in time to provide any early warning of the Pearl Harbor attack.
So you've cleverly hijacked a thread on a totally different topic onto your own tangent, just to show us that at the end of it all, you've got nothing.
Warmongering, crimes against humanity, lies......the untied states has much to answer for. Looks like the invoices are coming in now. A pity your founders didn't mention anything about avoiding foreign entanglements and standing armies. Have fun with your pathetic paedophilic criminal-in-charge...a fitting end. May The Lord protect and preserve the small remnant trapped in the various rogue states of the
I once met a woman who would cry on August 6 & 9 for "those poor people we atomic bombed in Japan." I asked her if she also cried on December 7, and she had no clue what I was talking about. I told you, "You know, December 7, the day the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in the Hawaiian Islands, that got the United States involved in World War II?" I also asked her if she cried for the American sailors who are still at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, but she also had no clue. What a bimbo she was.
If you want to know what the Japanese had in store for the invasion forces, check out this book: https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Pay-Operation-DOWNFALL-1945-1947-ebook/dp/B07FRJGY4R/ One million casualties was the low end of the estimated cost for the Allies, I think 5M was the upper. The Japanese were willing to loose 22M of their population to repel the invasion forces. Even the children were being trained to operate weapons. Army leaders were looking at using the atom bombs to prep the invasion sites. They had no idea what that would have done to the soldiers moving through the areas, as the radiation effects were not known then. Both sides were better off dropping those two bombs. Much smaller loss of life, at a minimum.
I do not care about the atomic bomb drop on Japan hurting people. My Dad entered the Marines at 17 in 43 and Island Hopped and was severely wounded on Okinawa as he was blown up. He spent the next year in a Naval Hospital in traction, then was put on Medical Retirement and let out. He spent every 6 months after going back into the VA being put into weights and traction to straighten his back out so he could walk properly. This kept going until he died.
My Mom's cousin was blown up on the Carrier Ben Franklin as a Kamikaze nailed the loaded flight deck and most of the crew was killed or wounded. My Mom's cousin had his left arm damaged to make it unusable but he kept on the ship working through, helping to run the ship until they got it back to New York. He has died.
The amount of dead to take over Japan is unknown but the atomic bombs did not kill as much people as bombing attacks on Tokyo did. The Japanese would have killed many more Americans then they did from the Island takeovers if they did not surrender.
Whittle nails it. He does a nice job of educating the "usual morons" on final days of the war with Japan. Although, Whittle could have save time and breath by just calling Stewart an idiot. Which is what Steward is.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably just me being a grump, but I find this guy almost as irritating as Stewart.
ReplyDeleteIt's just you, Whittle is great. Look up his vids on gun rights and statistics. Makes a lot of common sense arguments.
DeleteSome people find Trump almost as irritating as Biden. It's an opinion and opinions are like butt holes everyone's got one. In my opinion William Alfred Whittle is a way less caustic than Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz, but that's just my 2 cents.
DeleteBill's biggest problem is that he tends to go on and on and on until he puts you to sleep. He used to be a lot better, but I think his "Stratosphere Lounge" excursions have encouraged all sorts of bad habits.
DeleteHis other issue is that he's addicted to name-dropping, as in "When I went to (insert famous place) with my good friend and colleague (insert well-known celebrity) who I've know since I was (insert young age, down to zero)..." which is intensely irritating once you notice it.
But politically, he's mostly dead-on correct.
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ReplyDelete1970’s Rfk jr posing shirtless to show off his accomplishment.
Shame about the fate of that Chevy pickup though.
DeleteNo worse than fire bombing the hell out of them, which we were also doing.
ReplyDeleteDon’t want none, then don’t start none.
Deletehttps://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-tokyo
DeleteMy father entered the US Merchant Marine in 1945, two months after the bomb.
ReplyDeleteDuring that summer he was expecting to be drafted and probably serve in the US Navy, as had his father had served until he was sent home to die.
After the bomb his concern changed to earning a living, so he went to sea as seaman.
If we hadn't had the bomb or if Truman had decided not to use it, it's quite possible neither Bill or myself would be here.
Fortunately all the good guys have won all the wars so we never have to worry about how that might affect how history was written.
ReplyDeleteMy father was training for the invasion of Japan. It is exactly as Bill Whittle says. I would likely not be here if the bomb had not been used.
ReplyDeleteMy grandfather was pulled away from essential war work at Chrysler, to be drafted in 1945 for the invasion of Japan. His Army training got cut short due to the atom bombs. Dad was already born; some uncles and aunts had not yet been born.
Delete~ Doctor Weasel
It was estimated that 1,000,000 men would die or receive grievance wounds if they invaded Japan. Look up fire bombing of Japan, that was a horrible way to die and almost all Japanese cities had been bombed in that manner. To me, I would rather be bombed by the A bomb. Dropping the bomb was the correct decision. Dr. O was a major jerk.
ReplyDeleteWhat opened my eyes is when I learned that they were using Purple Heart medals prepared for the invasion of Japan clear through the Vietnam war and beyond.
ReplyDeleteFormer history teacher and retired Army officer here; I inflicted American History on cadets at West Point many years ago. I have no disagreement with Whittle's take on this, in fact I firmly agree. My dad came home from the Philippines in 1945; not sure I would be here had Operation Olympic not taken place. I agreed with the rightness of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki before watching this video, which told me much more of the details of the Japanese state of mind at the time than I had known.
ReplyDeleteWhat I find gruesomely ironic is that the numbskulls who want to condemn HST as a war criminal, while consciously or unconsciously ignoring, or being actually ignorant of the course of the war in the Pacific, and of WWII's effects on America, are the same people who want to excuse - or mitigate punishment for - contemporary rioters, thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers by saying that "we don't know how they felt - what drove them to it."
"had Operation Olympic taken place"
ReplyDeleteI was stationed in Japan from 1984 to 1986. During that time I met some of the people that visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were bombed. They told me some of the Japanese there told them it was good that these bombs were dropped. It meant that the war was over and that millions of Japanese would live because there would not be an invasion of the islands of Japan.
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Bill Whittle without fail destroys any and all leftist liberal statements and positions using facts, evidence and actual history. Sadly however the liberal left are totally immune to facts, evidence or logic. Which means Mr. Whittle has spent his entire career "preaching to the choir".
ReplyDeleteIn 1979 the NSA released 2,413 JN-25 orders of the 26,581 intercepted by US between Sept 1 and Dec 4, 1941. The NSA says "We know now that they contained important details concerning the existence, organization, objective, and even the whereabouts of the Pearl Harbor Strike Force." (Parker p 21) Of the over thousand radio messages sent by Tokyo to the attack fleet, only 20 are in the National Archives. All messages to the attack fleet were sent several times, at least one message was sent every odd hour of the day and each had a special serial number. Starting in early November 1941 when the attack fleet assembled and started receiving radio messages, OP-20-G stayed open 24 hours a day and the "First Team" of codebreakers worked on JN-25. In November and early December 1941, OP-20-G spent 85 percent of its effort reading Japanese Navy traffic, 12 percent on Japanese diplomatic traffic and 3 percent on German naval codes. FDR was personally briefed twice a day on JN-25 traffic by his aide, Captain John Beardell, and demanded to see the original raw messages in English. The US Government refuses to identify or declassify any pre-Dec 7, 1941 decrypts of JN-25 on the basis of national security, a half-century after the war. - AL Tru
ReplyDeleteWhich tells you neither Jack nor Sh*t about when or even whether any of those 26,581 intercepts were decrypted, let alone if they were decrypted and translated into English in time to provide any early warning of the Pearl Harbor attack.
DeleteSo you've cleverly hijacked a thread on a totally different topic onto your own tangent, just to show us that at the end of it all, you've got nothing.
Well-played.
Just like LBJ faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
DeleteWarmongering, crimes against humanity, lies......the untied states has much to answer for. Looks like the invoices are coming in now. A pity your founders didn't mention anything about avoiding foreign entanglements and standing armies. Have fun with your pathetic paedophilic criminal-in-charge...a fitting end. May The Lord protect and preserve the small remnant trapped in the various rogue states of the
Delete"rules based international order"...it would be funny if it wasn't so deadly.
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Batten your hatches!
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I once met a woman who would cry on August 6 & 9 for "those poor people we atomic bombed in Japan." I asked her if she also cried on December 7, and she had no clue what I was talking about. I told you, "You know, December 7, the day the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in the Hawaiian Islands, that got the United States involved in World War II?" I also asked her if she cried for the American sailors who are still at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, but she also had no clue. What a bimbo she was.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to know what the Japanese had in store for the invasion forces, check out this book:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.amazon.com/Hell-Pay-Operation-DOWNFALL-1945-1947-ebook/dp/B07FRJGY4R/
One million casualties was the low end of the estimated cost for the Allies, I think 5M was the upper. The Japanese were willing to loose 22M of their population to repel the invasion forces.
Even the children were being trained to operate weapons.
Army leaders were looking at using the atom bombs to prep the invasion sites. They had no idea what that would have done to the soldiers moving through the areas, as the radiation effects were not known then.
Both sides were better off dropping those two bombs. Much smaller loss of life, at a minimum.
I do not care about the atomic bomb drop on Japan hurting people. My Dad entered the Marines at 17 in 43 and Island Hopped and was severely wounded on Okinawa as he was blown up. He spent the next year in a Naval Hospital in traction, then was put on Medical Retirement and let out. He spent every 6 months after going back into the VA being put into weights and traction to straighten his back out so he could walk properly. This kept going until he died.
ReplyDeleteMy Mom's cousin was blown up on the Carrier Ben Franklin as a Kamikaze nailed the loaded flight deck and most of the crew was killed or wounded. My Mom's cousin had his left arm damaged to make it unusable but he kept on the ship working through, helping to run the ship until they got it back to New York. He has died.
The amount of dead to take over Japan is unknown but the atomic bombs did not kill as much people as bombing attacks on Tokyo did. The Japanese would have killed many more Americans then they did from the Island takeovers if they did not surrender.