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Friday, February 9, 2018
Interesting study on modern 9mm self defense ammo
And what can you say about Glocks? Soulless hunks of plastic, or reliable tools, or both?
People swear by their reliability, and that's a huge plus, and I'd never cast a shadow on anyone who carried one, but they just got no soul. They're dead things.
I'm old and set in my ways. I'll opt for my 1911A1 anytime over any model Glock. I've shot my friend's Glock 9mm a number of times and never found any fondness for it. The closest I've come to having a plastic pistol that I like is my EAA Witness in 10mm. I wouldn't have bought that back in the day if I could have afforded a Colt Delta Elite, but I had my heart set on a ten after watching Miami Vice......................
I carried a Glock 21 (first gen) for a long time and it doesn't look THAT much like a Glock anymore with the custom whiz-bangs I have on it (Lone Wolf Barrel, Israeli spring, titanium guide rod, and on and on). I can blow out the center of target with it. But I can do that with my 1911's too.
The Glock 43 is my daily concealed carry, with the modern self defense ammo, it has plenty of stopping power. My backup is NAA Pug .22 mag revolver. I often leave the 43 behind, but the Pug is always there.
first 3 rounds go center mass..if it's still coming, the next three go at the head ... if that doesn't stop it, the rest of the clip go towards the groin area. doesn't matter if it's 45 cal, or 22 LR.. a shattered pelvis will stop anyone. the above assumes you are at close range when firing the first round, and the assailant is coming at you.
I carry a Federation Mk IV phaser for most planetary missions. 5 settings from stun to knock the third tit off of some purple alien bitch. If Ineed more than that I just let Spock put the Vulcan titty twister on them.
My first real Colt was a Combat Elite that I purchased new in 1995. The day I picked it up I stopped at an out door range on the way home and after the second magazine the spring tube fell off. The local Colt distributor (a well known 1911 shop in the area) said they would take care of the warranty repair but it would be in the shop 6 months. A month later I purchased my first Glock which has not failed yet.
Starting to think that Colt and Kimber have a lot in common : Overpriced, over-hyped, .45cal. Rolexes. Some of the lower echelon 1911 makers produce very serviceable products that will reliably put rounds where you want them downrange while eating anything you feed them. Your mileage may vary...........
Exactly. It's the trigger on the 1911 that makes the accuracy possible. If Glock could do as well on the trigger pull and feel, they'd be hugely better than they already are. Gaston, are you listening?
Plus the safety issue. If GLOCK had a safety equal to the 1911, then I'd carry one. They are reliable, accurate to "Minute of Felon" and eat most anything. But the ND rate for GLOCK's is about 3 times that of firearms with either a thumb safety or a decent grip safety. Plus, as you say a great trigger on a 1911, or a mushy, crappy smeary DA style trigger on a GLOCK. Other striker fired guns have better triggers, so I don't see why GLOCK can't make one.
I inherited a Glock when dad died. Wasn't a big fan till I shot it. Put all kinds of ammo through it. Traditionalists, I understand them disliking the Glock type firearm, but it's reliable, accurate, and common enough that parts can be found. At a nonexpensive price point.
I am a dyed-in-wool 1911 fan. Have been ever since I went through the Army Small Arms Repair School in '74. For me, yes, a Glock is a soulless piece of plastic Tupperware. It is a utilitarian tool. However, it is an excellent tool. It combines light weight, accuracy, simplicity of operation, ease of maintenance, reliability, and a decades long track record all in one.
As fond as I am of my 1911's, if I was to strap on a full size 45 ACP, I would probably reach for my SIG 220. It was a factory re-manufacture that I lucked into years ago. With CCI Blazer hardball, I can knock a 2lb coffee can of a fence post at 50 yards.
Then there's the cost - you can probably buy 4 or 5 Glock 19's for the price of that custom Nighthawk 1911. Or one 19, a bunch of ammo and a week or two of good training.
I left my last 1911 in the arms room in Germany in 1990 and have not looked back. The Glock has more than twice the bang and does not weigh a ton, isn't tempermental and is easily upgraded (triggers are a simple drop in affair). My Glocks don't turn to rusted shit when it gets wet in the field.
Huh- I did leave a comment yesterday, but now it's gone. ??? I'll try again:
Got nothing against Glocks, which are quite functional, but not pretty. I've always preferred steel & wood; my favorite gun is a 1851 Colt Navy in .44; steel, brass and wood. I love to look at it, and I love holding it. Shooting it's very enjoyable too! (Though messy, fussy, and slow to reload.) Still, it's a gorgeous gun; while a Glock is, well, just a Glock.
For some reason there are a lot of reports about people shooting themselves in the leg when holstering/unholstering their Glock, maybe because of their lack of safety & their trigger. Don't know if these stories are true, or are more #FakeNews circulated by folks who don't like them. If I planned on buying a Glock, I'd make it my business to find out.
we here at casa z like 1911s as a rule, but carry a XD45 for preference(more bullets in the mag) the next step up from a 1911 would be an M67 with a hand grip.
LOL - I'd say that you're a wee bit prejudiced.
ReplyDeletePeople swear by their reliability, and that's a huge plus, and I'd never cast a shadow on anyone who carried one, but they just got no soul. They're dead things.
DeleteAt least you'll never hear a 1911 owner say their dog ate their gun. LOL.
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I'm old and set in my ways. I'll opt for my 1911A1 anytime over any model Glock. I've shot my friend's Glock 9mm a number of times and never found any fondness for it. The closest I've come to having a plastic pistol that I like is my EAA Witness in 10mm. I wouldn't have bought that back in the day if I could have afforded a Colt Delta Elite, but I had my heart set on a ten after watching Miami Vice......................
ReplyDeleteI carried a Glock 21 (first gen) for a long time and it doesn't look THAT much like a Glock anymore with the custom whiz-bangs I have on it (Lone Wolf Barrel, Israeli spring, titanium guide rod, and on and on). I can blow out the center of target with it. But I can do that with my 1911's too.
ReplyDeleteThe Glock 43 is my daily concealed carry, with the modern self defense ammo, it has plenty of stopping power. My backup is NAA Pug .22 mag revolver. I often leave the 43 behind, but the Pug is always there.
ReplyDeleteI like big handguns, but not for concealed.
first 3 rounds go center mass..if it's still coming, the next three go at the head ... if that doesn't stop it, the rest of the clip go towards the groin area. doesn't matter if it's 45 cal, or 22 LR.. a shattered pelvis will stop anyone.
Deletethe above assumes you are at close range when firing the first round, and the assailant is coming at you.
I carry a Federation Mk IV phaser for most planetary missions. 5 settings from stun to knock the third tit off of some purple alien bitch. If Ineed more than that I just let Spock put the Vulcan titty twister on them.
ReplyDeleteJames T. Kirk
My Mk V phaser has what is for me, my favorite setting: Deep Fat Fry.
DeleteMy first real Colt was a Combat Elite that I purchased new in 1995. The day I picked it up I stopped at an out door range on the way home and after the second magazine the spring tube fell off. The local Colt distributor (a well known 1911 shop in the area) said they would take care of the warranty repair but it would be in the shop 6 months. A month later I purchased my first Glock which has not failed yet.
ReplyDeleteColt should own the 1911 market, but they don't, and this is why.
DeleteStarting to think that Colt and Kimber have a lot in common : Overpriced, over-hyped, .45cal. Rolexes. Some of the lower echelon 1911 makers produce very serviceable products that will reliably put rounds where you want them downrange while eating anything you feed them. Your mileage may vary...........
ReplyDeleteI've shot a LOT of handgun competition (IDPA type) & the 1911s are always the most accurate, but the Glocks are the most reliable.
ReplyDeleteExactly. It's the trigger on the 1911 that makes the accuracy possible. If Glock could do as well on the trigger pull and feel, they'd be hugely better than they already are. Gaston, are you listening?
DeletePlus the safety issue. If GLOCK had a safety equal to the 1911, then I'd carry one. They are reliable, accurate to "Minute of Felon" and eat most anything. But the ND rate for GLOCK's is about 3 times that of firearms with either a thumb safety or a decent grip safety. Plus, as you say a great trigger on a 1911, or a mushy, crappy smeary DA style trigger on a GLOCK. Other striker fired guns have better triggers, so I don't see why GLOCK can't make one.
ReplyDeleteI inherited a Glock when dad died. Wasn't a big fan till I shot it. Put all kinds of ammo through it. Traditionalists, I understand them disliking the Glock type firearm, but it's reliable, accurate, and common enough that parts can be found. At a nonexpensive price point.
ReplyDeleteI am a dyed-in-wool 1911 fan. Have been ever since I went through the Army Small Arms Repair School in '74. For me, yes, a Glock is a soulless piece of plastic Tupperware. It is a utilitarian tool. However, it is an excellent tool. It combines light weight, accuracy, simplicity of operation, ease of maintenance, reliability, and a decades long track record all in one.
ReplyDeleteAs fond as I am of my 1911's, if I was to strap on a full size 45 ACP, I would probably reach for my SIG 220. It was a factory re-manufacture that I lucked into years ago. With CCI Blazer hardball, I can knock a 2lb coffee can of a fence post at 50 yards.
Then there's the cost - you can probably buy 4 or 5 Glock 19's for the price of that custom Nighthawk 1911. Or one 19, a bunch of ammo and a week or two of good training.
ReplyDeleteI left my last 1911 in the arms room in Germany in 1990 and have not looked back. The Glock has more than twice the bang and does not weigh a ton, isn't tempermental and is easily upgraded (triggers are a simple drop in affair). My Glocks don't turn to rusted shit when it gets wet in the field.
ReplyDeleteHuh- I did leave a comment yesterday, but now it's gone. ??? I'll try again:
ReplyDeleteGot nothing against Glocks, which are quite functional, but not pretty. I've always preferred steel & wood; my favorite gun is a 1851 Colt Navy in .44; steel, brass and wood. I love to look at it, and I love holding it. Shooting it's very enjoyable too! (Though messy, fussy, and slow to reload.) Still, it's a gorgeous gun; while a Glock is, well, just a Glock.
For some reason there are a lot of reports about people shooting themselves in the leg when holstering/unholstering their Glock, maybe because of their lack of safety & their trigger. Don't know if these stories are true, or are more #FakeNews circulated by folks who don't like them. If I planned on buying a Glock, I'd make it my business to find out.
we here at casa z like 1911s as a rule, but carry a XD45 for preference(more bullets in the mag)
ReplyDeletethe next step up from a 1911 would be an M67 with a hand grip.