And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Right. And yet not a one of them walks over to the tank 5' away afterwards, and the dust cloud still automagically doesn't blow over them. Almost like there's a magic line. Hmm.
If the TC or driver had climbed down amongst them immediately afterwards, you might have been onto something.
In other news, Tom Hanks was actually awarded a Medal Of Honor by LBJ, and Tom flashed his boxers at POTUS afterwards. And there were 4 actual Michael Keatons in Multiplicity, and Elizabeth Montogomery had a twin sister who played Serena in Bewitched.
Trained stunt drivers on big-budget movies have trouble with mere cars hitting the same spot with skids, even after multiple practice takes.
This was an ad. Fakery to fool the eye is their business, with budget running to 8 figures for 30 seconds' work. That's before we get into company sales brochures on military equipment, versus real-world performance.
But hey, go one believing 23 guys in suits are going to bet their lives on the brakes on a military tank and driver for an ad, if it helps you sleep at night.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."
Hi Aesop, I beg to differ. I remember that video from 25 years or so ago when it circulated around the Canadian military and govt email. IIRC that was shot at CFB Wainwright out west. The Dutch had Leopard tanks almost identical to the Canadian ones so they came over every year for exercises in our wide open spaces driving our tanks. In the video you'll note tree branches are swaying and the bottoms of the jackets are being blown open by the wind which is coming from behind the camera. That would explain why the dust cloud doesn't engulf the students. If you were in your best dark uniform would you walk into a dust cloud or climb onto a dusty tank? This is the tanker equivalent of standing on the runway with your buddies and seeing who is the first to drop to the tarmac as a jet fighter buzzes you at 0 feet. Stupid and possibly dangerous, but young men and women believe they're invincible so they do such things. Al_in_Ottawa
And to Al_in_Ottawa, and the commentariat, I'll throw another bit of photo interp out to be fathomed: Look at the two left-most suits in the ranks. See the big open gap to their left, and your right? You can see well through it behind the ranks to the road beyond. Notice that at no point in time as the tank comes to a halt, nor at any point after, does that billowing dust cloud - nor any part of it - make an appearance between them in that gap.
Almost as if the cloud, and the group, were filmed at two separate times, and spliced into a single shot, which is the only way you get the anomalies on display, on close inspection.
As for a stiff breeze blowing a wall of stoppage, note that only one dude's jacket in the entire front row flaps back briefly, and in the front row, 5th from left, the young lady's flowing ponytail on display shows a total disturbance of not a single hair, before, during, or after the arrival.
That's a neat trick in a wind that could supposedly stop a wall of dust from a tank screeching up at 40MPH.
This is like that Maxell ad from the 80s with the guy in his chair getting blown back by his speakers, except for the totally undisturbed shoelaces that revealed it was all EFX and wires. Great, but fake.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334294645236
And these aren't invincible 18 year old privates. They're business executives (or actors pretending to be them). Either way, no one's standing in front of a racing tank, on the theory the brakes are the finest example of German engineering. Not (and in fact especially) even the Germans who made it.
I've been on a commercial or two. I will concede the reality of the shot if someone publishes a list of the dozens of dead and injured run over in the half a dozen outtakes before they got it perfect. :)
It's still a great ad, and a fun clip, and I know people want to believe the magic is real, but pretending they didn't gimmick this is simply silly. And while I'm up, (spoiler alert) I should mention there's no Tooth Fairy either.
But if anyone still wants to leave their teeth under the pillow, it's a free country, and my feelings are unhurt either way.
One would like to think that this is a fake :) But the proof of this being a fake based on the "billowing dust cloud" theory does not seem to be reliable. Check what happens to the "billowing dust cloud" in this video (starting at about 1:25):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XUQ2beGfM
wojtek
PS. Never heard of a billowing dust cloud before, so I'm just guessing here ;)
You picked a video with little dust cloud. For a tank going slower on approach, on a cleaner road. And he pumped the brakes; notice the stutter. Doesn't work when you actually have a big cloud, and slam the brakes, hard, once. And obviously, more rubber on the road makes more smoke. But that Leopard test was a pretty dusty road, unlike the Abrams. Dust clouds always carry forward after a vehicle stops.
Except magically in the Leopard brake test video. Which is why every version cuts off rapidly, and there wasn't any side view.
Good magicians don't show how they do their tricks. (Except Penn & Teller.)
Judging from the flag and the sound, a strong wind blowing in the direction in which vehicles travel exacerbates the effect. The road on which the M1 is traveling is very dusty, as is clear from the first fragment of the video. There is no way to argue that the road in the Netherlands is more (or less) dusty. And the Dutch video is accelerated.
So we can't rely on the "dust" theory. Unfortunately :)
Photo Shop???
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely.
DeleteGiveaway: Note the tank's dust cloud automagically doesn't blow over the guys in suits, who weren't there at the time.
DeleteHere you are, photoshop experts: https://www.military.com/video/combat-vehicles/combat-tanks/awesome-leopard-tank-brake-test/3113383343001
DeleteRight. And yet not a one of them walks over to the tank 5' away afterwards, and the dust cloud still automagically doesn't blow over them. Almost like there's a magic line. Hmm.
DeleteIf the TC or driver had climbed down amongst them immediately afterwards, you might have been onto something.
In other news, Tom Hanks was actually awarded a Medal Of Honor by LBJ, and Tom flashed his boxers at POTUS afterwards. And there were 4 actual Michael Keatons in Multiplicity, and Elizabeth Montogomery had a twin sister who played Serena in Bewitched.
Trained stunt drivers on big-budget movies have trouble with mere cars hitting the same spot with skids, even after multiple practice takes.
This was an ad. Fakery to fool the eye is their business, with budget running to 8 figures for 30 seconds' work. That's before we get into company sales brochures on military equipment, versus real-world performance.
But hey, go one believing 23 guys in suits are going to bet their lives on the brakes on a military tank and driver for an ad, if it helps you sleep at night.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."
Ok, boys....settle down.
DeleteHi Aesop, I beg to differ. I remember that video from 25 years or so ago when it circulated around the Canadian military and govt email. IIRC that was shot at CFB Wainwright out west. The Dutch had Leopard tanks almost identical to the Canadian ones so they came over every year for exercises in our wide open spaces driving our tanks.
DeleteIn the video you'll note tree branches are swaying and the bottoms of the jackets are being blown open by the wind which is coming from behind the camera. That would explain why the dust cloud doesn't engulf the students. If you were in your best dark uniform would you walk into a dust cloud or climb onto a dusty tank?
This is the tanker equivalent of standing on the runway with your buddies and seeing who is the first to drop to the tarmac as a jet fighter buzzes you at 0 feet. Stupid and possibly dangerous, but young men and women believe they're invincible so they do such things.
Al_in_Ottawa
I'm settled, CW, not cranky.
DeleteAnd to Al_in_Ottawa, and the commentariat,
I'll throw another bit of photo interp out to be fathomed:
Look at the two left-most suits in the ranks. See the big open gap to their left, and your right?
You can see well through it behind the ranks to the road beyond. Notice that at no point in time as the tank comes to a halt, nor at any point after, does that billowing dust cloud - nor any part of it - make an appearance between them in that gap.
Almost as if the cloud, and the group, were filmed at two separate times, and spliced into a single shot, which is the only way you get the anomalies on display, on close inspection.
As for a stiff breeze blowing a wall of stoppage, note that only one dude's jacket in the entire front row flaps back briefly, and in the front row, 5th from left, the young lady's flowing ponytail on display shows a total disturbance of not a single hair, before, during, or after the arrival.
That's a neat trick in a wind that could supposedly stop a wall of dust from a tank screeching up at 40MPH.
This is like that Maxell ad from the 80s with the guy in his chair getting blown back by his speakers, except for the totally undisturbed shoelaces that revealed it was all EFX and wires. Great, but fake.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334294645236
And these aren't invincible 18 year old privates. They're business executives (or actors pretending to be them). Either way, no one's standing in front of a racing tank, on the theory the brakes are the finest example of German engineering. Not (and in fact especially) even the Germans who made it.
I've been on a commercial or two. I will concede the reality of the shot if someone publishes a list of the dozens of dead and injured run over in the half a dozen outtakes before they got it perfect. :)
It's still a great ad, and a fun clip, and I know people want to believe the magic is real, but pretending they didn't gimmick this is simply silly. And while I'm up, (spoiler alert) I should mention there's no Tooth Fairy either.
But if anyone still wants to leave their teeth under the pillow, it's a free country, and my feelings are unhurt either way.
One would like to think that this is a fake :) But the proof of this being a fake based on the "billowing dust cloud" theory does not seem to be reliable. Check what happens to the "billowing dust cloud" in this video (starting at about 1:25):
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XUQ2beGfM
wojtek
PS. Never heard of a billowing dust cloud before, so I'm just guessing here ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2rGS9v_wB8
DeletePhysics: still a thing.
You picked a video with little dust cloud. For a tank going slower on approach, on a cleaner road. And he pumped the brakes; notice the stutter.
Doesn't work when you actually have a big cloud, and slam the brakes, hard, once. And obviously, more rubber on the road makes more smoke. But that Leopard test was a pretty dusty road, unlike the Abrams. Dust clouds always carry forward after a vehicle stops.
Except magically in the Leopard brake test video. Which is why every version cuts off rapidly, and there wasn't any side view.
Good magicians don't show how they do their tricks. (Except Penn & Teller.)
Judging from the flag and the sound, a strong wind blowing in the direction in which vehicles travel exacerbates the effect. The road on which the M1 is traveling is very dusty, as is clear from the first fragment of the video. There is no way to argue that the road in the Netherlands is more (or less) dusty. And the Dutch video is accelerated.
DeleteSo we can't rely on the "dust" theory. Unfortunately :)
w.
best sign I ever saw: "We stand IN FRONT OF our brake jobs".
ReplyDeletethey all look like lawyers. shoulda kept going.
ReplyDeleteProjection screen shot, just like the old movies.
ReplyDelete