And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
How about someone takes out your kids or your grandkids, meh, no big deal. assholes are assholes they'll splatter your kids or this guy doesn't matter to them (you)
I am a cyclist as well as an automobile operator. On the bike, I have met this situation many, many times. Clearly, the car driver wanted that turn and thought he would beat the bike. After committing to pass, he could have realized he was wrong but he took his turn anyway. As a cyclist, I see this exact scenario happen so often that it's startling. I deal with it by slightly hogging the lane before a right turn so as to make it very clear that you and I have a predetermined order. And I can generally hear and see what you intend to do behind me even without your turn signal. When I ride, I assume all drivers are idiots. My actions are based not on your potential decision making but on the potential momentum of your vehicle - as though it were randomly uncontrolled. And people who can't take bikes in the roadway can fuck off. I am 6'5" and over 200 lbs of muscle. Even if you kill me, I WILL leave significant damage to your vehicle if we should have a collision. That video looks like California. You will be held at fault by the justice system in an automobile-cycle collision.
I see cyclists running red lights, riding on the sidewalk, cutting across traffic, hogging both the bike lane and the roadway as they ride around in their feral packs of spandex clad posturing, like they are all freaking racers. It's as bad as big pipe and a spoiler on a 10 year old Honda Civic.
My actions are based in the fact that all cyclists are idiots and drive accordingly. I've had my car hit while stationary at a red light by cyclists passing through the red light and damaging my wing mirror.
Your fuck off attitude tells me you are exactly that kind of asshole.
You want respect on the roads, then respect the traffic laws. You him someones wing mirror then stop and pay for the damage.
You want respect, but as a group, cyclist you show no respect to other in an urban environment.
Nice try, Soylent Green, but those are Euro plates, not CA.
FWIW, I will signal for cyclists when I first see one signal, ever, on city streets. There were two prizewinning idiots in that video, and only one was in the car. If someone hasn't got a bumper on their ass, they probably oughtn't play chicken with automobiles, which is reason #3,027 for why cyclists and motor vehicles never belong on the same road. It's just a recipe for butthurt and trauma.
The idiot was nearly past the street when he turned. I ride some and you still can't assume whats going to happen. I watched to see if driver was left hand side or right hand side. I think he was in the left seat.
Most single cyclists and kids on the road are okay. No worse than the guy hauling a harvester or the guy getting his horse onto the trail head.
All the [puckered anal orifice]s are the folks (cars, cyclists, livestock, etc.) who would be just the same if you met them at work. They might even be you on a bad, distracted, painful day. A little patience and care and you can get around them.
Nonetheless cyclists in packs and generally wearing expensive Look At Me! I Am A Puckered Orifice! gear deserve the road rash.
When you have missed the last rural clinic appointment with a sick child because a pack of POs think a country road on a Saturday is an amusement park and go 15mph on a country highway at 40mph, four abreast and never pulling over for 20 miles...
Yeah.
I'm only sorry for the driver who takes them out. Rough for him.
Cyclist was "tailgating" and in the driver's blind spot. Not a good thing if you are going nearly the same speed as those big hunks of steel. Having enough braking distance is just as important for bicycles as it is other cars. This cyclist got lucky.
But bicyclists often want to pretend they are something special on the road instead of just another vehicle. They take a whole lane when it is convenient, even if they aren't going the speed limit, but then want to zoom past, right or left and even through stop signs, because they have enough clearance when traffic is slow or stopped.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for them usually. When I rode a motorcycle, the rule of thumb was always assume the cars are going to do whatever would be worst for you.
On 2 wheels you must be constantly vigilant 360 degrees. Now a days, I personally will not commandeer 2 wheels amongst other vehicles. Way too many idiots out there now. I try my best to avoid pain, but I still lose now and then.
Cyclist was not likely 'tailgating' (meaning following too closely for some distance) a car going slowly is 30mph a bike going quickly is about 20mph big difference. That car made a wide right turn and barely made the entrance to the intersecting road/driveway. The car had just passed the bike and quickly made the turn in, car didn't have the turn signal on. If the cyclist had been following for some time, he wouldn't play bumper cars with a vehicle, same as you wouldn't play the same with a semi-tractor trailer. Last item, the cyclist didn't' hit the car he went over the handlebars because he didn't have the bike handling skills to make the stop, in 'panic' stops you have to instantly transfer your weight to the rear to avoid the 'over the falls' endo. The fact the cyclist didn't do that is another indicator he was surprised by the car.
Not enough video leading up to this to show whether or not the car had just passed the bike. I did have one occasion, while in college, where I was in the second-to-rightmost lane which was turn or go straight, while a car in the next lane over to the left was in a go straight only lane. Said car almost got past me and made a sudden right turn - scraped the foot pedal of my bike, it was that close. That being said, I've run into too many bicycle road hogs to automatically defend the cyclist in this segment.
Yes, the car is being an asshole. There should have been a turn signal and a better awareness of what is around the vehicle. But bike-boy isn't entirely blameless either. The brake lights on the car are already on; the biker should have had a hand on HIS brakes (and preemptively slightly applying them) the instant those lights lit up, just in case. If you're gonna play in traffic, you gotta be more paranoid.
Looks to me that unless the car had just zipped past the bicycle, the cyclist should probably have braked when the car slowed down and not attempted to pass on the right. The driver should have used his signal, but--as frequently happens--sometimes drivers make snap decisions. Both cars and cyclists should maintain plenty of distance in order to avoid situations like this. That's why the car behind is usually considered "at fault".
I have ridden bikes and motorcycles and I drive a car. Bikes and motorcycles are often hard to see and frequently overlooked as the driver is on the lookout for other cars or trucks and the smaller bike/mc is just part of the scenery. Is this right? I reckon not but in a collision of a 200 lb. cyclist vs. a 2000 lb. auto the cyclist figures to get the worst of it by far. Be aware of what is around you and be prepared for the unexpected. The driver may be in the wrong but it won't matter much to you if you're splattered all over the road.
Not enough data to come to an assignment of guilt. Who is taking the Video? Never saw a traffic cam in a car that could pan (very end of Video, pans slightly to the right). Anybody with any information on that?
Someone did that to me as I was riding next to the water in Pacific Beach, CA. Volvo came steaming across and I went right over the hood, didn't get a scratch. Totaled my Trek roadbike, though.
Too bad he didn't get splattered. These idiots are too plentiful. Swerve!
ReplyDeleteAh. Fuck you.
DeleteHey JC, try to pass me on the right. Hope yer insurance is up to date, Moron.
DeleteHow about someone takes out your kids or your grandkids, meh, no big deal. assholes are assholes they'll splatter your kids or this guy doesn't matter to them (you)
DeleteSwerve where DA?!? Into the path of the vehicle with the dashcam that caught that "motorist" trying to kill him?
DeleteYou are the idiot in this story.
I am a cyclist as well as an automobile operator. On the bike, I have met this situation many, many times. Clearly, the car driver wanted that turn and thought he would beat the bike. After committing to pass, he could have realized he was wrong but he took his turn anyway. As a cyclist, I see this exact scenario happen so often that it's startling. I deal with it by slightly hogging the lane before a right turn so as to make it very clear that you and I have a predetermined order. And I can generally hear and see what you intend to do behind me even without your turn signal. When I ride, I assume all drivers are idiots. My actions are based not on your potential decision making but on the potential momentum of your vehicle - as though it were randomly uncontrolled. And people who can't take bikes in the roadway can fuck off. I am 6'5" and over 200 lbs of muscle. Even if you kill me, I WILL leave significant damage to your vehicle if we should have a collision. That video looks like California. You will be held at fault by the justice system in an automobile-cycle collision.
DeleteWhen I drive, I assume all cyclists are idiots.
DeleteI see cyclists running red lights, riding on the sidewalk, cutting across traffic, hogging both the bike lane and the roadway as they ride around in their feral packs of spandex clad posturing, like they are all freaking racers. It's as bad as big pipe and a spoiler on a 10 year old Honda Civic.
My actions are based in the fact that all cyclists are idiots and drive accordingly. I've had my car hit while stationary at a red light by cyclists passing through the red light and damaging my wing mirror.
Your fuck off attitude tells me you are exactly that kind of asshole.
You want respect on the roads, then respect the traffic laws. You him someones wing mirror then stop and pay for the damage.
You want respect, but as a group, cyclist you show no respect to other in an urban environment.
Nice try, Soylent Green, but those are Euro plates, not CA.
DeleteFWIW, I will signal for cyclists when I first see one signal, ever, on city streets.
There were two prizewinning idiots in that video, and only one was in the car.
If someone hasn't got a bumper on their ass, they probably oughtn't play chicken with automobiles, which is reason #3,027 for why cyclists and motor vehicles never belong on the same road. It's just a recipe for butthurt and trauma.
The idiot was nearly past the street when he turned. I ride some and you still can't assume whats going to happen. I watched to see if driver was left hand side or right hand side. I think he was in the left seat.
DeleteMost single cyclists and kids on the road are okay. No worse than the guy hauling a harvester or the guy getting his horse onto the trail head.
DeleteAll the [puckered anal orifice]s are the folks (cars, cyclists, livestock, etc.) who would be just the same if you met them at work. They might even be you on a bad, distracted, painful day. A little patience and care and you can get around them.
Nonetheless cyclists in packs and generally wearing expensive Look At Me! I Am A Puckered Orifice! gear deserve the road rash.
When you have missed the last rural clinic appointment with a sick child because a pack of POs think a country road on a Saturday is an amusement park and go 15mph on a country highway at 40mph, four abreast and never pulling over for 20 miles...
Yeah.
I'm only sorry for the driver who takes them out. Rough for him.
I have never trusted drivers not to do that or other stupid things. Why do people think they can just swim with sharks?
ReplyDeleteCyclist was "tailgating" and in the driver's blind spot. Not a good thing if you are going nearly the same speed as those big hunks of steel. Having enough braking distance is just as important for bicycles as it is other cars. This cyclist got lucky.
ReplyDeleteBut bicyclists often want to pretend they are something special on the road instead of just another vehicle. They take a whole lane when it is convenient, even if they aren't going the speed limit, but then want to zoom past, right or left and even through stop signs, because they have enough clearance when traffic is slow or stopped.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for them usually. When I rode a motorcycle, the rule of thumb was always assume the cars are going to do whatever would be worst for you.
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DeleteThe image captured his/her license number.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is the driver felt some pain.
Good reflexes on the part of the biker.
On 2 wheels you must be constantly vigilant 360 degrees.
ReplyDeleteNow a days, I personally will not commandeer 2 wheels amongst other vehicles.
Way too many idiots out there now.
I try my best to avoid pain, but I still lose now and then.
The biter bit.
ReplyDeleteI have some sympathy, but not much.
Far too many bicycle riders are cheaters on the rules of the road.
Cyclist was not likely 'tailgating' (meaning following too closely for some distance) a car going slowly is 30mph a bike going quickly is about 20mph big difference. That car made a wide right turn and barely made the entrance to the intersecting road/driveway. The car had just passed the bike and quickly made the turn in, car didn't have the turn signal on. If the cyclist had been following for some time, he wouldn't play bumper cars with a vehicle, same as you wouldn't play the same with a semi-tractor trailer. Last item, the cyclist didn't' hit the car he went over the handlebars because he didn't have the bike handling skills to make the stop, in 'panic' stops you have to instantly transfer your weight to the rear to avoid the 'over the falls' endo. The fact the cyclist didn't do that is another indicator he was surprised by the car.
ReplyDeleteNot enough video leading up to this to show whether or not the car had just passed the bike.
DeleteI did have one occasion, while in college, where I was in the second-to-rightmost lane which was turn or go straight, while a car in the next lane over to the left was in a go straight only lane. Said car almost got past me and made a sudden right turn - scraped the foot pedal of my bike, it was that close.
That being said, I've run into too many bicycle road hogs to automatically defend the cyclist in this segment.
Yes, the car is being an asshole. There should have been a turn signal and a better awareness of what is around the vehicle. But bike-boy isn't entirely blameless either. The brake lights on the car are already on; the biker should have had a hand on HIS brakes (and preemptively slightly applying them) the instant those lights lit up, just in case. If you're gonna play in traffic, you gotta be more paranoid.
ReplyDeleteWell stated!...my thoughts exactly! ...but I think you meant "the car's operator"...I don't think the car knows or cares either way...!
DeleteLooks to me that unless the car had just zipped past the bicycle, the cyclist should probably have braked when the car slowed down and not attempted to pass on the right. The driver should have used his signal, but--as frequently happens--sometimes drivers make snap decisions. Both cars and cyclists should maintain plenty of distance in order to avoid situations like this. That's why the car behind is usually considered "at fault".
ReplyDeleteI have ridden bikes and motorcycles and I drive a car. Bikes and motorcycles are often hard to see and frequently overlooked as the driver is on the lookout for other cars or trucks and the smaller bike/mc is just part of the scenery. Is this right? I reckon not but in a collision of a 200 lb. cyclist vs. a 2000 lb. auto the cyclist figures to get the worst of it by far. Be aware of what is around you and be prepared for the unexpected. The driver may be in the wrong but it won't matter much to you if you're splattered all over the road.
ReplyDeleteNot enough data to come to an assignment of guilt. Who is taking the
ReplyDeleteVideo? Never saw a traffic cam in a car that could pan (very end of
Video, pans slightly to the right). Anybody with any information on that?
The camera car is starting a turn to the right, probably to check on the biker, or offer a copy of the video.
DeleteSomeone did that to me as I was riding next to the water in Pacific Beach, CA. Volvo came steaming across and I went right over the hood, didn't get a scratch. Totaled my Trek roadbike, though.
ReplyDeletewho rides a bike in the blind spot of a car?
ReplyDeletethe same people that drive their cars for miles in the blind spot of an 18 wheeler?