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Tuesday, July 29, 2025
This Gun Has A Huge Problem, for those of you who have been following Sig's problem with uncommanded discharges. I guess you could say that Sig's reputation has gone Sauer.
I've had one or another Glocks around the house with a round in the chamber for over 30 years and none ever suddenly went off. Just sayin. Also I have a Sig P-928 Extreme that is a great carry gun that is basically a scaled down 1911 so no problems to report there either.
The video did not show the gun firing without the screw in it. He kept repeating "the gun fired 1 mm AFTER the trigger take up", so how do you do that WITHOUT pulling the trigger?
As I understand his argument, the FBI produced a studyon the 320 (which I haven't read) which claims that the trigger/sear mechanisms can contain a "shelf". If you take up the trigger travel right up to "the wall", the internal mechanism may hang up on that shelf. His use of the screw was his way of simulating someone taking up the trigger travel, not pulling through "the wall" and then removing his finger from the trigger. A 320 in this condition may allow very slight movements of the slide...not much more than a bump...to release the striker.
I own a Sig 516 AR pattern rifle and a suppressor for it and my son owns a Sig 1911. Neither of us have had so much as a hiccup from either, but that said, today, I wouldn't own a 320 if it were gold-plated.
Good explanation *shelf*, thanks. I maintain, (because I don't own a sig and have not seen proper evidence yet) that if you keep your finger (and everything else including screws) off the trigger the thing won't fire.
Something really fishy bout the whole thing. If you take a serious hander at the striker mechanism, its so inherently safe with so many safety interlock sequences in its stages of operation, they simply do not let off all by themselves. One thing I'll wager is wrong, lot of money into certain pockets, is probably the gun's only defect.
I own 2 Sig 320s. A M17 and a M18. I have never had any trouble with either one. I also know several people who own them, with no reported trouble.
Sig maintains on their website down near the bottom of the page, a item where you can check your Serial Number for a recall. They will repair and ship it back to you at no charge.
I have a couple of 1911's and a 92AF that I totally trust. A retired Army Armorer that I am friends with said to wait on getting a Sig 320 until it has more time in the field. I am at the point in life I am starting to liquidate some of the guns I have.
I own a 320 .45 caliber, a 226 and. 365 xl. Never had an issue. It could be but I doubt it. However, there are lots of morons out there handling firearms in properly.
OK, interesting series of conditions; trigger is pulled to "the wall" and released, and the slide is shaken (?) until the striker releases/fires. Maybe that is something you don't believe is going to happen to you in real life. But I think it is in the same realm as the theoretical bowl of M&M's with only one is poisoned and the question is... how many would you eat? PS I tried this with my two 9mm semi-autos, couldn't get it to happen.
This concerns me because one of the guns I own is a Sig Sauer P365 9mm semi-automatic pistol, which I carry concealed, and because I am elderly and physically disabled, making me a favorite target of criminals, a VA medical examiner advised me to keep a round chambered and the safety off so that I can react more quickly.
The 365 is a rather different gun than the 320. I don't know about you, but I've heard far fewer stories about the 365 being problematic. Stories that they might be, yes, but not that they actually have been.
Funny how the safari land retention holster, which was also pulled from service because of this incident, with its repeated history in conjunction with NDs, is never mentioned by these engagement farming tic tubers. Wonder why that is…. I carry a 320 in the winter and a 365 in the warm months. Have since they both hit the market, and nary a ND here.
They’re aggressively pushing back on any claims of this nature which makes them look even worse… this is a PR nightmare for them.
ReplyDeleteI've had a Sig P-226 for many, many years with never a problem. But, it is not striker fired....
ReplyDeleteSig has built an Edsel.
ReplyDeleteAnd they're doubling down on it.
If there's a surer way to bankruptcy via lawsuit explosions, I haven't heard of it.
Best video I've seen that explains how they go off. Was always of the mid set that someone was touching the trigger. this dis-proves that.
ReplyDeleteI've had one or another Glocks around the house with a round in the chamber for over 30 years and none ever suddenly went off. Just sayin. Also I have a Sig P-928 Extreme that is a great carry gun that is basically a scaled down 1911 so no problems to report there either.
ReplyDeleteThe video did not show the gun firing without the screw in it.
ReplyDeleteHe kept repeating "the gun fired 1 mm AFTER the trigger take up", so how do you do that WITHOUT pulling the trigger?
As I understand his argument, the FBI produced a studyon the 320 (which I haven't read) which claims that the trigger/sear mechanisms can contain a "shelf". If you take up the trigger travel right up to "the wall", the internal mechanism may hang up on that shelf. His use of the screw was his way of simulating someone taking up the trigger travel, not pulling through "the wall" and then removing his finger from the trigger. A 320 in this condition may allow very slight movements of the slide...not much more than a bump...to release the striker.
DeleteI own a Sig 516 AR pattern rifle and a suppressor for it and my son owns a Sig 1911. Neither of us have had so much as a hiccup from either, but that said, today, I wouldn't own a 320 if it were gold-plated.
Good explanation *shelf*, thanks.
DeleteI maintain, (because I don't own a sig and have not seen proper evidence yet) that if you keep your finger (and everything else including screws) off the trigger the thing won't fire.
But it has fired in that manner on more than one occasion, where there’s smoke there’s usually a fire…
DeleteSomething really fishy bout the whole thing. If you take a serious hander at the striker mechanism, its so inherently safe with so many safety interlock sequences in its stages of operation, they simply do not let off all by themselves.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I'll wager is wrong, lot of money into certain pockets, is probably the gun's only defect.
I own 2 Sig 320s. A M17 and a M18. I have never had any trouble with either one. I also know several people who own them, with no reported trouble.
ReplyDeleteSig maintains on their website down near the bottom of the page, a item where you can check your Serial Number for a recall. They will repair and ship it back to you at no charge.
Geo
"You know what 'SIG' stands for? 'Still Isn't Glock'. Just get one of those." -overheard in a gun store in 2007,.
ReplyDeleteI have a couple of 1911's and a 92AF that I totally trust. A retired Army Armorer that I am friends with said to wait on getting a Sig 320 until it has more time in the field. I am at the point in life I am starting to liquidate some of the guns I have.
ReplyDeleteI own a 320 .45 caliber, a 226 and. 365 xl. Never had an issue. It could be but I doubt it. However, there are lots of morons out there handling firearms in properly.
ReplyDeleteOK, interesting series of conditions; trigger is pulled to "the wall" and released, and the slide is shaken (?) until the striker releases/fires.
ReplyDeleteMaybe that is something you don't believe is going to happen to you in real life. But I think it is in the same realm as the theoretical bowl of M&M's with only one is poisoned and the question is... how many would you eat?
PS I tried this with my two 9mm semi-autos, couldn't get it to happen.
This concerns me because one of the guns I own is a Sig Sauer P365 9mm semi-automatic pistol, which I carry concealed, and because I am elderly and physically disabled, making me a favorite target of criminals, a VA medical examiner advised me to keep a round chambered and the safety off so that I can react more quickly.
ReplyDeleteThe 365 is a rather different gun than the 320. I don't know about you, but I've heard far fewer stories about the 365 being problematic. Stories that they might be, yes, but not that they actually have been.
DeleteFunny how the safari land retention holster, which was also pulled from service because of this incident, with its repeated history in conjunction with NDs, is never mentioned by these engagement farming tic tubers. Wonder why that is…. I carry a 320 in the winter and a 365 in the warm months. Have since they both hit the market, and nary a ND here.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking some of the problem is tolerance stacking. If too many parts are too close to the edge of rejection, could be a problem.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjEhgXAALL8
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