And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Amoco-Cadiz 1978 Bad maintenance, bad radar navigation, and bad planning and no redundancy. Always a good example of why business and oil are "Bad". More appropriately, stupid people doing stupid things and winning stupid prizes. Oceans ain't trivial places.
Business and oil are bad? I work in offshore oil & gas. You can thank me for providing the raw material with which whatever device you used to write those ignorant words was made.
The Cadiz, the Valdez, Piper Alpha, etc. All are examples of how badly things can go wrong in hostile environments when humans make bad decisions. Each of these disasters and many others have been exhaustively picked through and lessons incorporated into modern safety management systems. But not always perfectly, as humans are still the common denominator. The Oil & Gas industry may lag behind safety management excellence in hospitals and airlines, but they are well ahead of many other industries.
Read "Failure to Learn" and "Disastrous Decisions" by Andrew Hopkins, chronicling the BP Baytown refinery disaster and the Deepwater Horizon/Macondo disasters, respectively. Note that Amoco (Cadiz) was bought out by BP quite a few years ago. In my opinion (from direct observation of neighboring offshore operations over the years) BP's management policy statements do not conform with their operational practices.
Then I stand corrected. I suppose I saw red because I just get so sick of the blatant ignorance of the general public towards the offshore energy industry. Thanks for the kind words but we just do our job and we are well paid for it.
And, by the way, thank you for the work you do. That industry is known for its difficulty and danger, and only a fool thinks it is easy to wrest those resources from the ground.
C'mon man! As Rodney King said " Can't we all get along?" I think it is a foregone conclusion that we must let academia and central government planners with a true environmental conscious start running the oil business, until it can be replace by cheap, clean and efficient wind and solar energy. The evil corporations that are Big Oil are nothing but conglomerate regimes that must be brought to heel, best be done by those who know better, from within the government. Put oil under the Department of Energy! Duh. We know Mobil and BP, etc. executives are tortured at night by the thought of Joe Average America reaping the benefits of stock profits going into their 401Ks. Nationalize the US energy industry if we want real change. Cash that stock in and spread the wealth around. I've been putting gas into my Subaru so long I literally fell like I should own part of the oil companies. It is logical, no doubt.
Anonymous, I'm not sure your ideology is a viable one as clean energy isn't really clean. It always comes back to using oil in one form or another. My philosophy is one that incorporates the divine. I look at it like this. As I have heard it said, the "Divine First Mover" as Einstein referred to God, knew what was coming. So he gave us millions of years of plant and animal life before we even showed up. Thus he gave us energy to use that is practical and still relatively cheap to use. As for the greed of big oil companies, yes that's true, but nationalizing these companies is not the way to go. It only makes things worse. And that's my opinion on this matter. Like most all of our comments here, they are just our opinion.
Things like this are a blip in the longer term. Oil leaks into the ocean from the ocean floor near California. A ship sank in the St Lawrence waterway shortly after the Titanic sank resulting in greater loss of life. It was never reported because of WWI. We live in a shitwhow.
Amoco-Cadiz 1978 Bad maintenance, bad radar navigation, and bad planning and no redundancy. Always a good example of why business and oil are "Bad". More appropriately, stupid people doing stupid things and winning stupid prizes. Oceans ain't trivial places.
ReplyDeleteBusiness and oil are bad? I work in offshore oil & gas. You can thank me for providing the raw material with which whatever device you used to write those ignorant words was made.
ReplyDeleteMy first thought as well. Everything we see and touch is created by oil. That's why everything was wood, iron and leather a hundred years ago.
DeleteThe Cadiz, the Valdez, Piper Alpha, etc. All are examples of how badly things can go wrong in hostile environments when humans make bad decisions. Each of these disasters and many others have been exhaustively picked through and lessons incorporated into modern safety management systems. But not always perfectly, as humans are still the common denominator. The Oil & Gas industry may lag behind safety management excellence in hospitals and airlines, but they are well ahead of many other industries.
DeleteRead "Failure to Learn" and "Disastrous Decisions" by Andrew Hopkins, chronicling the BP Baytown refinery disaster and the Deepwater Horizon/Macondo disasters, respectively. Note that Amoco (Cadiz) was bought out by BP quite a few years ago. In my opinion (from direct observation of neighboring offshore operations over the years) BP's management policy statements do not conform with their operational practices.
Forgive me Adam, but notice that the word 'bad' above is in quotes... this normally indicates that the word is being used ironically or sarcastically.
ReplyDeleteThen I stand corrected. I suppose I saw red because I just get so sick of the blatant ignorance of the general public towards the offshore energy industry. Thanks for the kind words but we just do our job and we are well paid for it.
DeleteAnd, by the way, thank you for the work you do. That industry is known for its difficulty and danger, and only a fool thinks it is easy to wrest those resources from the ground.
ReplyDeleteAll it means to me is the price of a gallon of regular went up.
ReplyDeleteC'mon man! As Rodney King said " Can't we all get along?" I think it is a foregone conclusion that we must let academia and central government planners with a true environmental conscious start running the oil business, until it can be replace by cheap, clean and efficient wind and solar energy. The evil corporations that are Big Oil are nothing but conglomerate regimes that must be brought to heel, best be done by those who know better, from within the government. Put oil under the Department of Energy! Duh. We know Mobil and BP, etc. executives are tortured at night by the thought of Joe Average America reaping the benefits of stock profits going into their 401Ks. Nationalize the US energy industry if we want real change. Cash that stock in and spread the wealth around. I've been putting gas into my Subaru so long I literally fell like I should own part of the oil companies. It is logical, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I'm not sure your ideology is a viable one as clean energy isn't really clean. It always comes back to using oil in one form or another. My philosophy is one that incorporates the divine. I look at it like this. As I have heard it said, the "Divine First Mover" as Einstein referred to God, knew what was coming. So he gave us millions of years of plant and animal life before we even showed up. Thus he gave us energy to use that is practical and still relatively cheap to use. As for the greed of big oil companies, yes that's true, but nationalizing these companies is not the way to go. It only makes things worse. And that's my opinion on this matter. Like most all of our comments here, they are just our opinion.
DeleteForgive me, Anonymous, but I can't tell if your comment was parody or serious.
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My take: Anon was being sarcastic, and I'm with him!
DeleteThings like this are a blip in the longer term. Oil leaks into the ocean from the ocean floor near California.
ReplyDeleteA ship sank in the St Lawrence waterway shortly after the Titanic sank resulting in greater loss of life. It was never reported because of WWI. We live in a shitwhow.
I was hoping to be so outrageous that all would laugh.
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Can always go back to sails.
ReplyDeleteIron, leather and wood. No thanks I like my A/C when it's a 100 outside. All the haters probably use A/C in their home and car made of oil.
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