Very interesting post up at Larry Person's Battleswarm Blog
“91%. That’s how many Japanese carrier crew members were dead by August 1945. Not casualties, dead. For every 100 men who served on Japanese carriers, nine survived the war.”“The Imperial Navy started with 10 fleet carriers. They ended with zero.”“The Japanese started war with the best carrier pilots in the world. Each one had over 800 hours of flight training. By 1944, new pilots got less than 50 hours. Why? Because Japan made a fatal decision. They never rotated experienced pilots home to train replacements. Every veteran stayed in combat until they died. And they all died.”“Here’s the brutal arithmetic. At Midway, Japan lost four carriers and 322 aircraft. But here’s what destroyed them. They lost 110 veteran pilots. Each one had over two years of training. Japan produced 200 new pilots per month. America produced 2,500.”“The carriers themselves were death traps by design. Japanese damage control doctrine was offensive spirit overcomes material weakness. They literally didn’t train damage control.”“American carriers had firefighting schools. Japanese carriers had buckets.”“When the Taiho was hit by one torpedo, the crew didn’t know to turn off ventilation. Aviation fuel vapors spread through the ship. Six hours later, one spark turned the entire carrier into a 27,000 ton bomb.”“After losing four carriers at Midway, Japan had six fleet carriers left. In the next two years, they built seven more. America built 90.”“Japan launched one new carrier in 1944. America launched 19.”Japanese POWs saw what Japan was up against. Instead of being tortured to death as their commanders had led them to believe, their captors provided them with more food than Japanese officers ate.“He held a tray loaded with more food than his entire squadron had shared in three days. Fried chicken, mashed potatoes swimming in butter, green beans, white bread, apple pie, and a glass of cold milk.”“The American sailor behind the serving line, irritated by the delay, gestured impatiently at the ice cream station. You want chocolate or vanilla? The question made no sense. Ice cream didn’t exist on warships. Ice cream required refrigeration that combat vessels couldn’t spare. Yet here, on America’s most battle hardened carrier, enemy prisoners were being offered a choice of frozen desserts.”“That moment his understanding of the war, of America, of everything began to crumble. Across the Pacific War, approximately 35,000 Japanese military personnel would experience American naval captivity and witness abundance that shattered everything they believed about their enemy’s weakness.”“They discovered carriers where enlisted sailors ate better than Japanese admirals, where machinery produced fresh water from seawater in unlimited quantities.”“These encounters with American naval logistics would demolish the spiritual foundations of Japanese military ideology more thoroughly than any defeat in battle.”“While Japanese sailors subsisted on rice balls and pickled vegetables, American crews consumed 4,100 calories daily of varied fresh foods.“While Japanese carriers hand-pumped aviation fuel, American ships automated everything.”“Commander Mitsuo Fuchida, mastermind of Pearl Harbor, who later became a Christian minister in America, documented his 1945 rescue experience aboard the USS Missouri.” They gave him coffee with cream and sugar and apologized for being out of donuts “while Japanese forces were eating leather belts.”“Japanese prisoners watched American damage control parties, exhausted from fighting fires and flooding, receive ice cream sundaes as battle rations. The cognitive dissonance was overwhelming. Their nation, fighting for its existence, couldn’t provide basic nutrition to forces. The enemy, supposedly decadent and weak, gave ice cream to sailors during combat.”“The laundry facilities stunned Japanese prisoners accustomed to washing clothes in seawater. American carriers had industrial washing machines, dryers, and pressing equipment. Enlisted sailors received clean uniforms twice weekly.”“The evaporators on USS Enterprise could produce 140,000 gallons of fresh water daily. More than the entire Japanese carrier force could produce combined.”The takeaway: Logistics wins wars.
This is a really good one!
ReplyDeleteRead couple accounts on logistics but on the European and Burma/China fronts, the numbers are staggering, like how locomotives Lend-Lease sent just Russia, like near 10,000! Supposedly during the height of the western front across Europe alone, a million civilians a month died. All together the US produced near around 90,000 military aircraft.
ReplyDeleteamateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.
ReplyDeleteExactly!
DeleteMind boggling. To think that was 80 years ago too.
ReplyDeleteThank you for posting this as I and many others had no idea of these facts. My dad was a B-17 pilot during WWII. I was a Huey Gunship door gunner in Vietnam and neither of us ever saw anything like that in our time. You do have to have some respect for those men do matter what else you might think of them. I will pass this along to my military friends. Thanks again Sir!
ReplyDeleteDo you remember which group your dad flew with? Mine was with the 447th.
DeleteJapan saw their people as drones,, cheap labor which did not need decent treatment...not even the officers.
ReplyDeleteThe US saw each soldier and sailor as worthy of respect and decency....Providing them meals and treats made morale better and gave them strength to fight better. Automating what they could saved energy for the important tasks.
Fighting spirit and devotion to the emperor weakens under starvation and being treated like cattle
The difference in attitude, as much as the production, helped win the war.
Japan has a long military tradition. I wonder what they have been teaching kids in school about WW2 & Japan's part in it over the last 80 years?
Delete@Rob, I'm no scholar of Japanese culture or history, so take this with a grain of salt, but my impression is that the Japanese acknowledge the war, but gloss over their own atrocities. At the same time, they seem to have internalized a lot of Western martial ethos (especially in regards to treatment of prisoners of war). They've certainly done better in coping with the aftermath than Germany, which seems to have a collective death-wish at this point.
DeleteAs German ace Günther Rall said in an interview, "First we got the Iron Cross, then the Wooden Cross".
ReplyDeleteAnother game changer we sent to the Russians was the deuce and a half truck. Among other things, they used them to tow their artillery guns. Gave them the ability to shoot and scoot, take the initiative.
The scene in Band of Brothers; Hey, you! That's right, you stupid Kraut bastards! That's right! Say hello to Ford, and General fuckin' Motors! You stupid fascist pigs! Look at you! You have horses! What were you thinking? Dragging our asses half way around the world, interrupting our lives... For what, you ignorant, servile scum! What the fuck are we doing here?
DeleteUnfortunately those trucks we gave the Soviets helped them move troops around Eastern Europe; taking and holding those countries behind the Iron Curtain. for forty years. And some of those trucks lasted that long.
Ha how the tide has turned, now most western countries are more commie than the Soviets!
DeleteIIRC, Studebaker set up plants in the USSR.
DeleteLogistics wins wars, but only a free society has the industrial and financial capacity to feed a logistical system that could sustain two simultaneous campaigns thousands of miles from home. I highly recommend Victor Davis Hanson’s “Carnage and Culture”.
ReplyDeleteIt is sobering to read about America's past industrial might and the edge it gave us during wartime against the Axis Powers, and to realize that if we go to war with the PRC, the tables will be turned. The U.S. is but a shadow of its former self, whereas the Chinese can build dozens of ships for each that we can turn out. This time, we'll get to be the Japanese!
ReplyDeleteThe USA was not really an industrial powerhouse in 1940. But when we got pissed off, we became one tout suite.
ReplyDeleteThe same will happen again. I strongly suggest none of them piss us off again.
I don't know, friend. Pre-WW2 we had a strong industrial economy. Shipyards far more numerous and productive than anybody else.
DeleteWe had people with a strong work ethic and skills with their hands.
Now not so much as we have a rather large % of our fleet currently in waiting for any available yard space and workers to work on them.
You know how "Excellent" our current workforces "work ethic" and ability to do stuff with their hands.
“After losing four carriers at Midway, Japan had six fleet carriers left. In the next two years, they built seven more. America built 90.”
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90 carriers?
Yep, a lot were small carriers so they could accompany convoys so the convoys were never out of air cover.
DeleteGoogle, sniper, Google
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_operational_during_World_War_II
Not all fleet carriers but carriers none the less. Ask the German and Japanese submariners about that.
Wow.. finally something you are not a self appointed expert on. Shocking...
DeleteNot everyone can be as stupid as you 2:59.
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DeleteCome on guys don't hurt snippy's feelings, he gets mad.
DeleteJeep carriers, smaller boats. Many were sold to other countries postwar, used as bombing targets etc., or scrapped/mothballed.
DeleteThey built some of those small carriers right here at the port of Vancouver Washington
ReplyDelete"Wounded Tiger" is a very good book about Commander Fuchida: https://www.amazon.com/Wounded-Tiger-Transformational-Japanese-Nonfiction/dp/0991229088
ReplyDeleteGood post, there are more reasons but these will do.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately the impressions were made on POWs, so did not have much influence on the leaders back in Japan
ReplyDeleteAll this happened to POWs. The Japanese at home had NO knowledge of what they were up against. Even most of the very high ranking officers didn't fully grasp the difference between US and Japanese industry.
ReplyDeleteYamamoto knew. "I can run wild for six months, after that I can promise you nothing".
DeleteYamamoto was born as Isoroku Takano.
Yamamoto was such a promising child that the Yamamoto family adopted him into the family as the heir.
He served as the Japanese Military Attaché to the USA, traveled throughout the states and stated many times that he thought Japan could not win a war against the US.
My dad was a WWII fighter pilot in the Pacific and he had approx 2000 hours before he saw combat.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting this. My Dad was a B-17 mechanic in WWII serving in Australia and New Guinea. I actually saw him in a WWII era film that showed on the Military History Channel a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteHe told me that if I ever enlisted to choose the Navy because they have the best chow. He wasn't wrong.
"An army marches on its stomach" Napoleon Bonaparte
Nemo
I'd say the was WW2 advice, today the AF has the creature comforts.
DeleteI wouldn’t call my flights on a C130 comforting, though I saw some creatures, tell you what!
DeleteThe treatment of POWs might have had something to do with The US and Japan becoming allies later. As former prisoners they knew more about Americans than their war time leaders. Read about a German General that said he knew the war was lost when they pushed back some American troops and found a cake that had been mailed over from home to an American soldier.
ReplyDeleteI have to admit to being skeptical about some parts of this article. I don't doubt that Japanese POW's were amazed at how and what they were fed. But the bit describing a POW in the chow line with the ship's crew I just don't buy. It was war time. I am certain all POW"s were kept confined and segregated away from the crew until they could be transferred ashore.
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