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I have the Ultra CDP in 45. The finish is great, the ambi safety is nice, the trigger is perfect and it's accurate. I really, really want to like the gun, but I haven't been able to find a hollowpoint that will reliably feed - and I've tried an estimated 18 different loads. I've put over 600 rounds of Win 230 FMJ through it hoping that would smooth things out but it will still only reliably eat the hardball. I don't like being limited to that. Perhaps it needs another 600-1200 rounds?
Peaowed: Probably needs the barrel chamber mouth re-contoured. If it only feeds ball ammo, that is the tell. Any competent 1911 gunsmith will be able to fix this. Shooting any more ammo through it will NOT fix the problem.
The real question is why a 1911 designed for self-defense only came with a traditional ball ammo only capable barrel? Might want to talk to the manufacturer and find out if this might be a manufacturing oversight on your pistol, or if ALL their guns have this problem.
Yeah, most likely geometry. Spring might help because slower movement will tolerate the bad contour, but get thee to a good gunwitch. Find out where the serious shooters go.
My brother owned one that was nothing but trouble. Sent back to Kimber twice, each time coming back filthy and supposedly fixed- it never was reliable for him. He'll never buy a Kimber again. Me, I'm more of a Ruger guy in the affordable 1911 space.
Try stretching the mag springs to help resolve feed problem? Also - Oil, oil, oil. 1911s love the lube. My buddy had one and also sold it due to accuracy issues, and he had the laser-in-the-grip from Kimber. Then again maybe he just sucks at shooting! 4 inch barrel could be considered as alternate for EDC - not as concealable perhaps, but certainly more accurate.
My .45 eats anything. I switched to the CDP as my HiPower was getting a mite heavy in my golden years. The HiPower was picky… only ate Remington fodder.
There was a time when I wanted one of these. Then I talked to a guy behind the counter at our local shop. He had a .45 on him. It was longer (commander or full size, I can't remember). [I forget if it was in an exterior holster or in the waistband type]. He said, "You know, I understand that compact carry is desirable, but really, the next size up is only about a half and inch or so. And every little bit longer is going to increase accuracy that much more. Might be important, if you're ever gonna need to actually use it." Never forgot that.
That isn't true, the bit about the extra inch of barrel adding accuracy. You need to find a different gun shop counter money to get advice from.
The gun is as accurate as it is gonna be, mechanically, the sights are either on or they aren't. The extra inch or so of sight radius makes no difference to the accuracy, yours or the gun. especially at defensive handgun distances.
The extra inch and a half changes the concealability greatly
Increased barrel length increases accuracy, yes, but most "social work" happens less than 15 feet away so it may not be an issue. That being said, Elisjsha Dicken was probably glad he had a full sized Glock on him when he took out the Greenwood Mall shooter in 2022, taking him out at around 40 yds..
Increasing the barrel length doesn't directly increase accuracy. It will increase the bullet velocity, and increase the sight radius. It also makes the muzzle end heavier, which might make it a bit more steady in your hand. It may also come with bigger grips that give you more to hold onto. The combination of these sort of changes can improve the practical accuracy for the typical shooter.
Don’t agree with the counterman. My brother is scary good with a 2” Smith and I can’t hit a wall if I was locked in a closet. Give me 5” to 8 3/8” of sight radius and then I hit distinguished expert. All my Rugers and Smiths have been perfectly accurate right out of the box.
I have a Springfield Micro Compact, .45 ACP, 3". Took it to a NRA bullseye match. Hit paper with every shot at 50 yards and impressed the real pistol shooter on the next point. It isn't a target piece, it's for defense. But it did come from the factory with as nice a trigger as I've ever felt on a pistol.
I really like my Rock Island BBR 3.10. I modified a couple of Para Ordinance P10 13 round mags for it and had a guy 3D print sleeves that match my grips for them. It did have 3 misfeeds out of the box but not a hiccup in the 500+ rounds since.
Carrying a 1911 in 9mm kind of defeats the whole purpose, IMHO, for one whole extra round of capacity, and in proprietary mags not available nor in widespread use. I either want bigger bullets coming out, or a lot more of them. While it's a well-made gun, this provides neither of those things. It reminds me of those custom Barris VW/Rolls Royce conversions from the 1960s: a lot of nothing much that looks like something more. My $0.02.
Shooting any ammo that is reasonably close to standard power level in ANY 1911 should not be a problem for all day shooting. As long as you are not shooting with your THUMB on top of the thumb safety! THAT bit of foolishness tends to end up chewing up your hand in various places no matter what the power level. It also can influence how accurate you are with it, as the gun moves around A LOT in your hand when you do this.
8 in the box, 1 in the pipe...fits any pocket
ReplyDeleteHave one of these in 45acp. My EDC piece.
ReplyDeleteCongrats! Nice choice indeed.
DeleteI have the Ultra CDP in 45. The finish is great, the ambi safety is nice, the trigger is perfect and it's accurate. I really, really want to like the gun, but I haven't been able to find a hollowpoint that will reliably feed - and I've tried an estimated 18 different loads. I've put over 600 rounds of Win 230 FMJ through it hoping that would smooth things out but it will still only reliably eat the hardball. I don't like being limited to that. Perhaps it needs another 600-1200 rounds?
DeletePeaowed
DeleteTry a heavier recoil spring.
Slowing down the slide speed may fix your feeding problem.
Peaowed:
DeleteProbably needs the barrel chamber mouth re-contoured. If it only feeds ball ammo, that is the tell. Any competent 1911 gunsmith will be able to fix this. Shooting any more ammo through it will NOT fix the problem.
The real question is why a 1911 designed for self-defense only came with a traditional ball ammo only capable barrel? Might want to talk to the manufacturer and find out if this might be a manufacturing oversight on your pistol, or if ALL their guns have this problem.
Yeah, most likely geometry. Spring might help because slower movement will tolerate the bad contour, but get thee to a good gunwitch. Find out where the serious shooters go.
DeleteMy brother owned one that was nothing but trouble. Sent back to Kimber twice, each time coming back filthy and supposedly fixed- it never was reliable for him. He'll never buy a Kimber again. Me, I'm more of a Ruger guy in the affordable 1911 space.
DeleteI actually own a Ruger SR1911 in that color scheme, but a commander style.
DeleteTry stretching the mag springs to help resolve feed problem? Also - Oil, oil, oil. 1911s love the lube. My buddy had one and also sold it due to accuracy issues, and he had the laser-in-the-grip from Kimber. Then again maybe he just sucks at shooting! 4 inch barrel could be considered as alternate for EDC - not as concealable perhaps, but certainly more accurate.
DeleteMy .45 eats anything. I switched to the CDP as my HiPower was getting a mite heavy in my golden years. The HiPower was picky… only ate Remington fodder.
DeleteThere was a time when I wanted one of these. Then I talked to a guy behind the counter at our local shop. He had a .45 on him. It was longer (commander or full size, I can't remember). [I forget if it was in an exterior holster or in the waistband type]. He said, "You know, I understand that compact carry is desirable, but really, the next size up is only about a half and inch or so. And every little bit longer is going to increase accuracy that much more. Might be important, if you're ever gonna need to actually use it." Never forgot that.
ReplyDeleteThat isn't true, the bit about the extra inch of barrel adding accuracy. You need to find a different gun shop counter money to get advice from.
DeleteThe gun is as accurate as it is gonna be, mechanically, the sights are either on or they aren't. The extra inch or so of sight radius makes no difference to the accuracy, yours or the gun. especially at defensive handgun distances.
The extra inch and a half changes the concealability greatly
Increased barrel length increases accuracy, yes, but most "social work" happens less than 15 feet away so it may not be an issue.
DeleteThat being said, Elisjsha Dicken was probably glad he had a full sized Glock on him when he took out the Greenwood Mall shooter in 2022, taking him out at around 40 yds..
Increasing the barrel length doesn't directly increase accuracy. It will increase the bullet velocity, and increase the sight radius. It also makes the muzzle end heavier, which might make it a bit more steady in your hand. It may also come with bigger grips that give you more to hold onto. The combination of these sort of changes can improve the practical accuracy for the typical shooter.
DeleteDon’t agree with the counterman. My brother is scary good with a 2” Smith and I can’t hit a wall if I was locked in a closet. Give me 5” to 8 3/8” of sight radius and then I hit distinguished expert. All my Rugers and Smiths have been perfectly accurate right out of the box.
DeleteI have a Springfield Micro Compact, .45 ACP, 3". Took it to a NRA bullseye match. Hit paper with every shot at 50 yards and impressed the real pistol shooter on the next point. It isn't a target piece, it's for defense. But it did come from the factory with as nice a trigger as I've ever felt on a pistol.
ReplyDeleteI really like my Rock Island BBR 3.10. I modified a couple of Para Ordinance P10 13 round mags for it and had a guy 3D print sleeves that match my grips for them. It did have 3 misfeeds out of the box but not a hiccup in the 500+ rounds since.
ReplyDeleteI had a smith do a trigger job and put a match barrel on my 1911 and got my ideal!
ReplyDeleteCarrying a 1911 in 9mm kind of defeats the whole purpose, IMHO, for one whole extra round of capacity, and in proprietary mags not available nor in widespread use.
ReplyDeleteI either want bigger bullets coming out, or a lot more of them.
While it's a well-made gun, this provides neither of those things.
It reminds me of those custom Barris VW/Rolls Royce conversions from the 1960s: a lot of nothing much that looks like something more.
My $0.02.
yes. .45 ACP. Because shooting twice is silly.
DeleteYears ago I found a 3in .45acp Kimber Ultra RCP, smoothed version - trough sight line - and it loves to eat browning's flat face ball without issue.
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Your hand is going to really smart after firing this on the range for more than a few shots.
ReplyDeleteShooting any ammo that is reasonably close to standard power level in ANY 1911 should not be a problem for all day shooting. As long as you are not shooting with your THUMB on top of the thumb safety! THAT bit of foolishness tends to end up chewing up your hand in various places no matter what the power level. It also can influence how accurate you are with it, as the gun moves around A LOT in your hand when you do this.
DeleteI think they’ve moved their manufacturing. Who would spend a penny on anything of of NYFC? Especially a gun.
ReplyDeleteCIII
Have you tried Hornady Critical Defense or the G9 Defense loads…??
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