And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Wednesday, February 3, 2016
OMG! What kind of weird, space alien helicopters are those?
That is the early Model of the HRP. Later variations were used in Vietnam until 1964. AND: A little FYI for all you Garand fans. The M-14 never completely replaced the M-1 in service. In fact the only units to receive a full issue of M-14's were the Fleet Marine Force. The US Army Korea. The 101 and 82 AB and the Berlin brigade and NOBODY got them before 1961. Some units like the 4th ID received partial issues in 1964. But the bulk of the regular Army Navy and USMC transitioned directly from the Garand to the M16A1 starting in 1965-66, Most NG and reserve units kept the Garand until the mid 1970's. The Navy got the Used M-14's outside Vietnam. The "M-14 started to replace the Garand in 1957" myth is just that. A Myth.--Ray
I entered the United States Army on Thursday 07 December 1967, and was issued the M-14 rifle for my Basic Combat Training at Fort Lewis, Washington, again for my Advanced Individual Training at the United States Southeastern Signal School at Fort Gordon, Georgia, and yet again at my first permanent duty station with Company A, 11th Air Defense Signal Battalion, 32d Army Air Defense Command in Kaiserslautern, Germany.
On Friday 12 December 1969, I landed at Cam Ranh Bay, Republic of Viet Nam, where my first assignment would be the Phu Lam Signal Battalion in Saigon.
Upon arrival at Phu Lam, I was issued an M-14 rifle, and instructed to immediately hand it back to the armorer, after which he issued me an M-16 rifle.
I don't know why they did it that way, nor apparently, did anyone else, but that's how the Army does things.
J R M Those were the same rifles issued to some regiments of the 4th ID in April of 1964. The Division drew the M- 16A1 in June of 66 just before shipping to Vietnam. The M14 rifles seen in Vietnam for TET'68 were the same weapons brought incountry by the USMC fleet Marine Force in 1964-65. The bulk of M14 production was never deployed. It sat in Depot Storage for decades until bill Clinton ordered it sold or destroyed in 1993. Almost all of the M14 rifle seen in Iraq and A-Stan were weapons rescued by JSOC before they could be cut up. The rest were "sold" to Estonia and Lithowania (Spell?)
Looks like they are all carrying M-1 Garands. So I'm guessing sometime around Korean War?
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_H-21
ReplyDeleteFlying Bananna.
Excellent link! Thanks!
DeleteAu contraire!
DeleteIt is the 1947 Piasecki HRP-1 "Rescuer", a.k.a., "Harp", a.k.a., "Flying Banana", a.k.a., "Dog Ship".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_HRP_Rescuer
ah believe John is correct.
DeleteThat is the early Model of the HRP. Later variations were used in Vietnam until 1964. AND: A little FYI for all you Garand fans. The M-14 never completely replaced the M-1 in service. In fact the only units to receive a full issue of M-14's were the Fleet Marine Force. The US Army Korea. The 101 and 82 AB and the Berlin brigade and NOBODY got them before 1961. Some units like the 4th ID received partial issues in 1964. But the bulk of the regular Army Navy and USMC transitioned directly from the Garand to the M16A1 starting in 1965-66, Most NG and reserve units kept the Garand until the mid 1970's. The Navy got the Used M-14's outside Vietnam. The "M-14 started to replace the Garand in 1957" myth is just that. A Myth.--Ray
ReplyDeleteI entered the United States Army on Thursday 07 December 1967, and was issued the M-14 rifle for my Basic Combat Training at Fort Lewis, Washington, again for my Advanced Individual Training at the United States Southeastern Signal School at Fort Gordon, Georgia, and yet again at my first permanent duty station with Company A, 11th Air Defense Signal Battalion, 32d Army Air Defense Command in Kaiserslautern, Germany.
DeleteOn Friday 12 December 1969, I landed at Cam Ranh Bay, Republic of Viet Nam, where my first assignment would be the Phu Lam Signal Battalion in Saigon.
Upon arrival at Phu Lam, I was issued an M-14 rifle, and instructed to immediately hand it back to the armorer, after which he issued me an M-16 rifle.
I don't know why they did it that way, nor apparently, did anyone else, but that's how the Army does things.
J R M Those were the same rifles issued to some regiments of the 4th ID in April of 1964. The Division drew the M- 16A1 in June of 66 just before shipping to Vietnam. The M14 rifles seen in Vietnam for TET'68 were the same weapons brought incountry by the USMC fleet Marine Force in 1964-65. The bulk of M14 production was never deployed. It sat in Depot Storage for decades until bill Clinton ordered it sold or destroyed in 1993. Almost all of the M14 rifle seen in Iraq and A-Stan were weapons rescued by JSOC before they could be cut up. The rest were "sold" to Estonia and Lithowania (Spell?)
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